TomGoodheart

Thank goodenss he doesn't seem to have an interest in hammered. I don't think I could bear to see a Brasso'd groat or worse, a proper rarity spoilt like that.

Bargain. You could try putting an 'old British' coin set (Farthing, halfpenny, penny, threepence, sixpence, shilling, florin (two shillings), half crown) on ebay plus the best examples of the other coins. So long as you get a bit of profit and your postage back after ebay expenses you should recoup. Of course, if you have another way to sell you could even avoid the postage costs. And welcome to the forum dan.

Welcome mtwc! As Colin says, nice to see another sharing my interest (though my collecting range is rather narrow to say the least, due to not being as wealthy as I'd like!) I started on shillings generally but the price of testoons and the provincial and siege coins of Charles were too much so I just collect the regular (Tower mint) issues now. Feel free to post pics of any interesting aquisitions if you like. You can add pics up to 150K from your computer or larger images from an image hosting site such as photobucket or flickr.

A number of contacts and I have reported listings like that where the seller is obviously listing a modern repro but descibing it as genuine. It's rare anything happens from the ebay end. You can (and I have) also list such things on forgerynetwork.com but if someone is willing to fork out real coin money for a replica then they are unlikely to know about that as a reference resource. It used to be possible to send a message to bidders on ebay but ebay stopped that, I think to the detriment of collectors. Now it's a dodgy sellers' market and the same people set up new accounts and sell pewter replicas they claim have been found on a regular basis and nothing gets done about it. Ebay should be ashamed.

Pun intended or not. Either way, that deserves an apology. You've lost me there Rob, did I offend you? Of course not. Without grading, it's pointless whether you are using the Sheldon scale or CGS' 0-100. Geddit...........Don't worry, I'll stop now. Ah I see No pun intended kind of wish it was though. Ah. It was punintentional then ...

I think describing it as 'silver' a 'sixpence' and the period as 'Tudor' are all effectively fraudulent as it is none of those. But since ebay has changed everything to make this type of listing easier and unreportable I presume they either condone such behaviour or simply don't care.

LOL Who knows. They may become fashionable! "Will it be the same in the future? Will the prized treasures of today always be the cheap trifles of the day before? Will rows of our willow-pattern dinner-plates be ranged above the chimney-pieces of the great in the years 2000 and odd?" From Three Men In A Boat Jerome K Jerome 1889

Of course, if it's a new obverse muled with the old (portcullis) style reverse, that would be interesting. But I've yet to see one of those ... Apparently 180,600,000 of the old style were issued together with 507,952,000 new 'shield' style coins in 2008. Most likely you have one of each larsselleth.

Light and the wrong colour.

It just doesn't have the 'look' of a hammered coin. It's difficult to explain but there's a lack of crispness to the detail that doesn't seem like the result of either a weak strike or wear. The letters and design are .. rounder .. in profile than I would expect. Not authentic is my feeling. Probably modern.

While I can't find a photo of this particular coin, it looks more like an Ashmore copy than the real thing to me I'm afraid.

From the way the 'R' of CAROLVS is slightly merged with the 'O' I think it's a result of double striking Mat. The coin has jumped a little in the die between hammer strikes (several were often needed to get a decent result) and the design has been restruck a bit out of alignment with the first strike. That's one of the interesting aspects of hammered coinage. I remember one dealer having a coin that had flipped completely over and appeared to have the reverse design on both sides, though on closer inspection it was just possible to make out the bust under the design on one side.

Do I need to edit this thread or shall I just let it run, window cleaning and all?

AFAIK grading services started in the 1980s. I understand that part of the benefit was to reduce the risk of sellers and buyers disagreeing about the grade of a coin. It seems to me that had this been such a problem then people in the UK would have jumped at the chance to buy certified grade coins but this hasn't been the case. There is still considerable opposition (and I dare say support) for the idea. I'm not convinced that it will really succeed here, largely on the basis that if it was such a brilliant idea it would have taken off rather more strongly by now. Slabbing Myths

I'm curious where Michael gets his 'full price's from. Is there a book that lists prices by CGS grading?? That's a new one to me. And I'm also interested in why a slabbed example is so desirable when, as Rob says, you can assess the grade yourself (or if your name is Dave, get people here to do it for you. )

Unless I am not looking at it right I can only see a 1922 half crown in Fair condition, value around a fiver. Because of its grade, the coin has no numismatic value above its metal content. There are more coins there Red, with dates from 1918 up to Eliz II (1962). But it's not my area so I wouldn't want to guess at values I'm afraid. Oh, and your 'Unidentified' sweetcheeks? I reckon it's a contemporary (ie made during the early 1800s) counterfeit of a George II shilling. Made of brass and not uncommon, but an interesting piece of numismatic history.

Near where I live there used to be a place that was an art store. Companies would donate excess stock of bottle tops, fasteners, plastic mouldings, buttons, metal oddments ... whatever they no longer needed. Then schools could visit and select materials they could take for free for kids to use in craft and art projects. That's probably what I'd do with the pennies if they were mine. Alternatively there are places that have old penny slot machines that people can play with. I imagine people keep a few coins as souvenirs (*cough I did anyway cough*) and so they need to replace stocks so the games and stuff can still be operated. They might be prepared to make an offer, though I doubt it would be much. Or finally, drill holes in them and sew them to a suit. A Penny King and Queen alternative to the pearly ones would be a hit at fairs I'm sure!! Though they'd be *blighters* to have to polish and would weigh a tun!

LOL I've done this too! Enlarged dealer's pics, peered at them. Inverted the colours to see if the detail looks any better. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. To be honest, I think this dealer's pic is quite heavily pixelated. The way the colours in the fields look just isn't natural. Maybe it was enlarged beforehand? I seem to remember that if I converted a bitmap to a jpeg it does that. Either way it's just impossible to be certain I'm afraid. I imagine the coin is on it's way to you Dave? So we'll look forward to some good photos in a few days, yes?

Here here! To Danny - Look at it this way... if you went out and got a lower-wage job (say £15k pa), its a guaranteed income. Should you wish to deal in coins, to make a similar take-home you would need sales of £150,000 and thats working on a fairly lofty 10% margin! Also consider that you have had to outlay £140,000 in the first place! I have considered this myself in the past but worked out that I would require around £10k liquid capital to sink into 'stock' before it would be worth even trying! Given a mortgage, wife etc, this is unlikely in the near future - though given that I am less than 10 years older than you, I hope that may change! However ... I'm sure everyone here can see coins that had they bought years ago would have been cheaper and perhaps better than those they now own. So collecting at an early age might well pay in the long run. Just remember the best quality common coins are often worth more than knackered rare ones. And learn to specialise or else you'll just have a mish mash of stuff. A series of related coins is both more interesting from a study point of view and will sell better if necessary.

I agree with the others. Basically what's on offer is a 5oz lump of silver that has been gold plated. The fact that it's been made to look like a pretty coin or has gold on it is largely irrelevant to any coin collector. It's worth the melt value of the silver. Of course, there are collectors for such commemorative items, just as there are for plates with kittens or Wade whimseys. But the future value of such items are down to the whims of fashion I'm afraid and an 'investment' is not how I would think of them. As for the Eagles and Maples they are well and good. They are bullion coins (like Britannias) and will always sell as such. But silver price is at a high at the moment, so whether that's a good stategy is unclear. In the long term precious metal has been as good as any other investment providing you buy and sell at the right times! And ..er, .. just an idea .. if you like coins then they (regular currency issues in good condition) can prove an interesting hobby and (long term) can increase in value too?

I think it's a jetton in the chatel Tournois style like the one in this link: WAG link Mediaeval French

If 'he' doesn't return to post again I'll delete the thread in a bit. I can't delete members (you'll all be glad to know!) so that'd be down to Chris. But since the IP is in Tseung Kwan, Hong Kong it does look rather botlike!

Sorry, but no. This site is for people to discuss coins and not to promote businesses with no connection to the hobby. If you wish to join in the coin chat, welcome. If not then I'm afraid this isn't the site for you. In the meantime, I've deleted your duplicate thread in the Members area since it's not coin related.

Oh, yeah. One thing not to do is .. if you happen to have 200 of those very rare Charles Darwin £2 coins (or similar multiple items) .. please don't list them individually!! Save some money and combine them in a multiple listing. Then people can see you have 199 left or whatever and can use the same listing to bid for theirs.

I'm fairly sure that in the UK the distance selling regulations mean that you can't refuse returns anyway. Admitedly, the right to return the item is limited to if it doesn't match the description given by the seller (or it wasn't theirs to sell) but it's still there. Online auction rights