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I assume there must be a known genuine die of this overdate? Must be cast surely. Then again that makes no sense. Why overdate it with an older date. Very odd. I wonder if the word got out that 1820 shillings where being counterfeited thus giving extra scrutiny to coins with that date so the forger altered the date to take some of the scrutiny away 🤔

Sad news about Gary. I never met him but heard lots of good things about him. He was born in the town i reside in. I just dug my shilling out as this post had sparked my interest. Never even noticed it before but it's got a clear overdate. 1817 over 1820. That's something i have never seen in a counterfeit coin before.

Just found an obituary for him i think so that's a no go on any further research. Passed away last February.

Gary Oddie has written a few papers about them. He was doing a study of them. Not sure if he still is but his old paper's should still be online somewhere.

Yes i agree it has to be spurious. The dates not lined up properly and the G & R in Geor are out of proportion with the other letters. I have a contemporary forgery silver washed brass shilling dated 1817.

Welcome to the forum Jill. Thats a really nice find. Don't often see that sub class turn up. Congratulations !

Try and get some more capsules for them like the one the Jubilee head Victoria is in. Those PVC ones break down over time and leave a sticky green residue on your coins.

Agreed. It is the Anchor mm which is class IIId in the Spink guide. Auction houses are not always correct with their identifications. When i was researching my type IIIa groat i was looking at old sales. I was frequently finding type IIa coins listed as type IIIa & IIIb , the Pansy mintmark was also frequently mistaken for the Cinquefoil mintmark. Edit added information. On the older documents on groats of Henry VII type IIId did not exist. It jumped from IIIc to IV. Its possible the auction has just used the old classification where type IIId was included as IIIc. I am not sure when they created the type IIId class but on older 1960s documents it was not present. That could also be the reason it was listed as IIIc.

Road kill. The mind boggles .

Can anyone in the know drop a message to this seller. They are having none of it that it's a King John class 5 coin of Lvkas at Winchester mint who only struck class 5b - 5c at that mint. Telling me it's been verified by 3 different independent experts including Neil at Baldwins. Saying it has no sceptre to me. I've highlighted it has and pointed out what a cross pommee is but they are adamant it is what they are claiming it is because Neil sold them it. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/406494749946 Good luck. Have fun

If i can dig anything more up about him i will do. Be interesting to see if i can find out what year's he was in the service as you can then research the unit and find out where they got put on active service and what place's they fought in. I love this sort of stuff myself , i was able to research my grandads naval history off his WW1 naval logbook and find out about ships he was on that got sunk while he was aboard them. I never got to meet him as he died in 1935 when my dad was 3 so we never really knew much about him. It was fascinating and i was able to fill in some blanks for my dad about his father's family history before he passed away in 2019.

Or bone meal fertilizer. I think he was okay. I found this out about him.. William Grant fought as a Sergeant in Captain John Warren’s company of the 92nd Highlanders at Waterloo. He was shortly afterwards promoted to Sergeant-Major and, on 5 November 1819, he was appointed Adjutant with the rank of Ensign. He did not live to claim a Peninsula Medal. I'd probably need a paid Ancestry account to get any more information. Not sure what year they started awarding peninsula medals .

Not the best of pictures but here's the edge. It reads * SERJEANT WILLIAM GRANT , 1ST BAT 92ND HIGHLANDERS. I bought it online from a dealer in Glasgow who had omitted the edge details in the description of sale. I was a bit miffed at first until i did some research. He is Roll number 51 on the Waterloo medal database. He also composed a poem about the battle that was on a manuscript that was sold by Noonans in September 2006 (lot 1100)

I don't tend to buy them now but when i first started collecting i bought holed / plugged coins. I have a milled sixpence of Elizabeth I that would of been way out my budget at the time if it wasn't for the plug in it. Don't mind counterstamped stuff so much as it's an interesting field that you can research sometimes. I picked up a cartwheel penny last year that had an edge engraving in the same style as the waterloo medal. When i researched the name on it i found out the guy had actually been at Waterloo. I only paid £10 for it as well so wasn't expensive.

Cracking collection Paddy. Well done !

There is many many types. It's definitely not a Schwäbisch Hall hand Heller but i am pretty sure it's something from the German states around the same period. I unfortunately do not have any literature on coins of that region from that period so haven't been able to tie it down exactly. Ma shops is the best i could find but that's only based on what's available for sale so it's proving elusive.

It's probably a Pfennig or Heller from the German states. Bavaria , Austria etc. The Square in the middle would of had a shield / coat of arms for the area it was struck in.

Reported also.

My shilling. I think what drew me to it at the time was the portrait. It got over shadowed when I eventually bought a Milled Briot Sixpence.

Beautiful piece. Touchpieces are definitely holed coins worth owning.

Same lol. Mine was a York shilling of Charles I that I feel I overpaid on. I also have a milled Elizabeth sixpence that has a very small filled hole in it but i got that for a reasonable price at the time. The other two are a Gun money sixpence & a commonwealth penny but both them were under £10 if my memory is correct.

They are all good English coins. One is a class 4b of Richard that I can make out two are also Henry III. The Walter one is John (6a) & ADAH ( Adam) one is 7b3. I was wrong about the other one i feel. I agree with the initial assessment from Coys55 that it is a new 7a3 find. Apologies to all for any confusion I may have caused.

Agree with other poster's. It's difficult to price holed coins they don't appeal to everyone either. I have a few holed coins that I regret buying in my early day's of collecting. I'll probably put them on eBay in the future and see where the bidding goes but i expect to be disappointed. I definitely overpaid for one of them.

That has to be a troll post lol. Classic.

Something else that i noticed but forgot to put in my original post. The mouth. Its usually made up of 3 small crescents . Two on top , one on the bottom. That looks like half a circle with a line under it.