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Four Pence Victorian 1840 & 1877 (Maundy) Delving through the hoard today...... and these two I though were worth a show as they are in incredible condition.... which is a bit of a rarity amongst my lot.... 😲

The 'ribbon' on this 1859 is die clashing, explained on Gouby's website, where he now also references Peck 404. The 'overlay' picture below also highlights the 'clash' area.

Sifting through my bits and bobs and came across this one. Not listed in any books that i can find so one to mark down. Maybe a complete example will turn up one day who knows. Its a 1a4 obverse with the Seriffed X and a 1a3 reverse with a nice square E. Hvnfrei at York mint.

I particularly like the 1860/59 tie ribbons (plural)............always present in same place + further clashing under Victoria's chin.

Most due to the size were probably lost not long after they were cut especially the quarter cut ones. They have become more common on the collector's market in the past 20 year's due to better metal detectors. I tend to pick them up in lots. I only bid on individual cut coins when i can ID them as being different or from rarer mints. Class 5a coins have a reversed S so if i see them or a 4c with a reversed S i will buy them if they are not whole and the S is visible. I have a half cut of Chichester mint which is not an easy mint to get a whole coin for plus a few Rhuddlan halfs. This is one that i was able to die match using Mass / Slevin to Ravl at London mint. What makes it different is the Square E which is not usually seen on class 1b1 coins. It's little things like that which i tend to look out for when collecting cut coins. Stu.

looking at the Half penny's that I have , like yours the details are still very vivid also being silver you'd think that they'd been cashed in melted down and re used ... Ive found 5 Halves that I have ...as yet no quarters, Hopefully others will join in, it will be of interest.... 👍

Just because someone has made a random claim on eBay that this is a "rare variety" does not make it a documented fact of any substance. And herein lies the whole problem of so called "AI" - it just regurgitates superficial stuff trawled from the internet with no discernment or discrimination and presents it as gospel truth. Alfnail's quoting Gouby regarding die clash damage above is proper scholarly documentation, actual fact, and derived from many years of human expertise, experience, analysis and real intelligence. Yet AI couldn't manage to reconcile that internet based evidence...

The 1859 is interesting, not a deliberate ‘ribbon’ I suspect, perhaps a die flaw or foreign body impact or result of die clash but if more than a ‘one off’ could become collectable though probably not at a massive premium. The 1858 small date is scarce rather than rare, unless combined with large rose reverse which yours is not. Maybe a small premium over large date but value is low I think due to poor condition. Jerry

Hi, Newby to the site, first post. I have an 1859 penny, with a variant that I cannot find much information on. “ Tie ribbon between curl and neck” Also there is no W.W., not sure if this as standard. I would be grateful is someone could give me an idea of rarity, grade and value? I also have recently got an 1858 small date, again would like an idea of grade, rarity and value.

Just to clarify, as I realise my post may not have come over as it was meant to…I don’t remember shillings at all, but I kind of like the idea, as was said, for fun, if there were such a thing permitted in the commercial realms of politics Digging a hole here…sorry, Chris and Copper123, you may know where/how I made my mistake here (hopefully), sorry 🙏