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Exactly, because if no one else is going to bid then it's time wasted sitting/waiting/watching and i assume most of these coins have reserves anyway. I also think catwiki needs to define what it actually is, if it's an auction house or is it running along similar lines as eBay, eBay don't tell you what the estimate of your coin is, perhaps the estimations are also putting people off, possibly the estimates are also too high, i looked at an George V sov in a graded holder as MS64 and the bottom estimate was over a recent similar sold lot through a British auction Just thinking out loud Declan.....

After much patience, I found a nice example of the Oxfordshire DH-1 Halfpenny token for my collection. I admire the die work on the obverse detail, and I'm fond of the lovely sun shield on the reverse. Despite what the NGC label says, this is a halfpenny size token, not a penny size token. The diesinker was Arnold, and the manufacturer was Lutwyche. This is a very common token, and the edge reads PAYABLE AT BANBURY OXFORD OR READING. c. 1795 (undated) Oxfordshire halfpenny token, NGC MS64BN And a close-up of some of the die cutting work on the obverse:

Sorry I've not answered sooner, only she indoors took me on a rest from the pennies , something called a holiday . Anyway I digress , it seems some kind of experimentation was being undertaken by the mint during 1958 . I'm not sure of the types my self ,as the wide border type according to Freeman should have short teeth , where as I find them to all be longer. Gouby states that he can find no difference in the types , and so has not listed them. There clearly are a few differing types. You and I must keep looking, and see if we can find all of them. Terry

This variety has recut waves in addition to the difference in date width, Does anyone know of any other significant penny date width variations post EVII?

It is true that there are minor differences between individual digit punches, even where the font was the same. This is inevitable, as are date spacing variations, in the days before technology was microscopically precise. I suppose it is a question of degree as to whether we recognise them as different, and collectable. Judicious work with a micrometer (or hi tech equivalent) could possibly differentiate all the individual dies used in the era where date digits were entered by hand, but I do not feel this would make each die a different 'variety'. However there are collectors in some series particularly hammered who will collect different dies. There is nothing wrong with this approach, nor collecting differing date spacings, some of which are clearly rare. It is a question of terminology as to whether these are considered true varieties, or in numismatic terms something else such as minor variants. I dont think we disagree . Jerry