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The black stuff goes right across the coin from VIC GRA

@ggx51 I hope you dont me mind me asking a similar question in this post. @Paddy do you have a suggestion please for the black crud to the left of Britannia's bicep, its quite soft. Originially I was going to sell this coin but it has grown on me alot I love the size and thickness of the coin and decided to keep it.

Hi, would this coin be one of the coins without the H stamp please, hard to see and to tell I guess Thank you

Was immediately drawn to the image in a museum recently and noted the mismatch with the text 😄 Mind you, they had a few coin hoards on display though! Lewes Castle, for anyone interested.

I find it interesting that we'll argue for days whether a letter is pointing at a tooth or gap or if a tide is high or low on a penny, but no one is interested in Victorian die numbers, which are as clear as day and surely worth studying and would throw up new and possibly unique dies. Some of the money paid for what seems like tiny and obscure penny varieties really astounds me. We're a strange bunch, and I include myself in that statement; I'll spend ages identifying the die pairing on a Rhuddlan cut half, or even a quarter, and could easily get interested in said penny varietes, but I have no plans to do so. Yet. I think I'll steer clear of the die numbers too TBH. Hmm, there's a lot of die number shillings on ebay... 🐰

Hopefully these give an idea 😂

Looks good! There are ways of shrinking images to the 500Kb limit - depends on you operating system. I think there are tips in the technical section. (I know what to do in Windows but I am hopeless with anything else!)

I’ve tried but keeps saying file size to big, even after allowing format change, so may have to upload in different parts!

I am glad it worked so easily. It looks like a nice coin - any chance of pics of the whole?

The alleged 1858/3 penny was discussed on the forum about 5 years ago, and I put a few reference pictures on that might be useful to share again:- 1858/3 Penny - Page 3 - British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries - The British Coin Forum - Predecimal.com If you scroll down the page there are several posts with additional pictures. Hope this is helpful reference

As Paddy mentions... circulated coins can benefit with a long soak in warm soapy water...a ultra fine/soft tooth brush will remove a multitude of crud and hand grime.... rinse off with fresh cold water.... I tend to let them air dry rather than rub them,,,, it works well for me 👍

Thanks very much paddy! As you can see it’s gone! Just soaked in warm water & washing up liquid, you’re a star!!

I have no doubt it is genuine, but I am not sure anyone is chasing down new die numbers that seriously anymore. As @Rob intimated, newly identified ones turn up quite regularly - another reason not to go down that rabbit hole! 😄

I live in the U.S. and inherited several coins (including this one) from my German grandfather. I'm by no means an expert but I've had the coin looked at by an expert who says it is authentic. I'm happy to provide any info I can to help with historical data.

Hi paddy thanks the reply, the photo is in colour, that’s what it looks like. The coin is actually a Victoria young head crown, not a sixpence, thanks for the advise, I’ll give it a go!

Bull doesn't include 91 in the list of die numbers for 1873, but I am told this list has now been outdated. This list of die numbers: http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/dieno.html also does not include 91. I am sure there was discussion on here a few months (years?) back and someone had a link to a more up to date list, but I haven't found it yet.

for 1873, I have die no's 18, 87 & 103....welcome to the Rabbit Hole....🐰

What was the book/document that contains a list of the known die numbers for each date? I know I used to own a copy of something that did, but can’t recall what.

Does it exist. I'm on the side of a definite maybe. To explain my reasoning, if they can resurrect an 1841 halfpenny die to continue producing 1839 proof sets in the 1880s by changing the date, then I see no reason to not find an 1853 penny die hidden away somewhere that they decided to reuse after 5 years. Both types are ludicrously common and liable to have things coming out the woodwork many years later. After all, it is the cleanest modification you could use to change the date. 8/3 or even 3/inverted 3 with the correct font size/profile in the right position and at the perfect force applied level could also conceivably work, and as Jerry suggests, it could just be a case of wrong punch, wrong time. When all options are exhausted, even the impossible/irrational/unlikely etc. is possible. I guess the answer lies in contemporary evidence. But that needs a ouija board (and someone who believes in the alleged comminucations etc)

I expect so.. I don't have the individual die nos to hand, but all three die pairs have higher die numbers than 91.

Oh yeah. I missed that.