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For what it's worth, I do not think this is a very rare thick flan 10+J but rather a normal flan one where the rim has been "rolled" in machinery and slightly compressed thus, and so makes the edge look wider. My evidence for this is a) this was commonly done with many, many bronze predecimal coins, I guess as people were just playing around with lathes etc in workshops, and I personally have many such examples of all bronze denominations and several monarchs, and b) from your photo, the rim itself next to the beads appears to be thin or non-existent, when in reality there should be a distinct rim edge surrounding the beads (see photo of obverse 10 below, taken from Richard's halfpenny website) which is basically where the rolled metal has gone from to form the "thicker" edge. But of course, one can only be sure when in hand and can be weighed, measured etc. But if you ask opinions from vague photos, be prepared to get vague answers, or indeed an absence of answers in light of the absence of evidence! I wish you luck with this purchase, just as you have had much luck already, but equally you must expect disappointments too... Also, give things a bit more time for feedback: you only posted on Saturday morning - I am replying Monday afternoon!

I suspect it may be related to the Irish obsidional currency , this article may give you a lead. https://oldcurrencyexchange.com/2015/09/03/obrien-rare-coin-review-confederate-catholic-rebel-money-coinage-of-1642-44/ Jerry

The coin was purchased prior to posting here.. To save you being party to any of it il refrain from posting questions about my coins here.

Yeah, I didn’t think it was Celtic myself. It’s definitely similar to some of those examples, but I’m still not sure if it’s lead or silver — I’m leaning more towards lead based on what I’ve seen so far. It’s a very interesting find. Thanks very much for your reply Chris. Yeah Fingers crossed someone recognises it and can ID it. Take care.

No, I don't think it's Celtic. If it is lead then some kind of token similar to this is likely: https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/marc_breitsprecher_classical_numismatist/8/product/england_lead_token__cross/1104924/Default.aspx If it's silver then it could be Anglo-Saxon, as some of those are also similar. Perhaps someone will come along who recognises it! Fingers cross potented 🤔

Hi chris, thanks for the reply. I was thinking it could be lead, and I’ve looked through a lot of images of similar tokens. Keeping in mind that it’s obviously been clipped down, I still haven’t been able to find a close match. A friend of mine also ran it through an AI camera system they have at his workplace, and this was the readout it gave.

It certainly looks old. I tried to find images of small coins with a 'cross potent' (cross with T-shaped ends) but didn't come up with anything very similar. Maybe because parts of your original coin are missing/clipped. Could it be lead? There are some similar looking lead Henry VI-VII cross and pellet tokens.

It really isn’t reasonable to expect us to influence decisions as to how you spend your money where the facts are not clear cut, and the perspective of other parties photographs is notoriously unreliable when making size or thickness estimations. Some you will get right and some wrong simply because the image does not reflect reality, but it has to be up to you whether to take the plunge. It’s great to hear of a successful rare find or new discovery when it is definite and in the hand and when correct weights and measurements and clear photos can be taken, but we don’t need to be party to your thought processes before the actual facts can be ascertained. And please don’t be so quick to take offence when it is largely not intended, which is in itself offensive and unhelpful. The sources you quote are excellent, and with the addition of Gouby are exactly my primary sources. You are clearly a quick learner, but experience can only be gained over time , often by trial and error which is where you are at now. Jerry

That's fine, but do you think the coin/question of this post is unusual in terms of the apparent thickness. Nobody addressed it. Everyone wants to talk about knowledge or language. Does the appearance of the this halfpenny coin look thicker than normal using the limited info I have put forward. I purchased the coin so will find out sooner rather later anyway. I didnt want to ask the seller for a weight for obvious reason's.

Business as usual, then! I still reserve the right to think you unusual, though. Keep going.

Found another quite good condition coin from the hoard..... albeit 2 pence Maundy, George IIII, 1822, 😕 not sure I can cope with all of these good condition coins after a life time of manky worn out ones.... 😕

What exactly are you referring to ? Im here asking a question which would suggest I dont have the "knowledge" I exclusively use Richard's website Michael Freemans book and the LCA website. Between those three sources of information the only detailed info availible I'm missing is from the other specialists. Have you noticed nearly all of my questions are not related to anything written by M Gouby........ Because I dont have access to any of it or Dracott etc. I use the info availible to me I dont retain any of the knowledge. Every single coin I look or come across I check it against the info I have availible to me. Its a question of Probability all thats seen here is the very few leads that actually have potential that I cant exclude myself as nothing. It really is as simple as that. Im super intense with my research and efforts, as I have explained to you previously you get out what you put in. I was lucky enough to find a couple of super rare coins which gave me a huge boost of motivation. I dont really have much else to say about this.

In this post the one single numismatic term which I used is Flan.. The coin question is listed in black and white including the word flan. I asked the seller of the coin "does the rim of the coin have damaged" In order to obtain images of the edge of the coin without raising suspicion. And that's it. I dont even know for sure if the pairing is even 10+J. (So this could all be a complete waste of time) Richard's website lists the halfpenny types, the die pairings and the rarity rating so no knowledge is required. I have just noticed a coin which looks thick and by chance its possibly 10+J zero knowledge was required to reach this point. It was logical to measure the letters on a coin I have and then apply those measurements to the image IMO just basic pragmatic approach to my own question.

The reverse die fields tend to be more convex than the obverses are concave on the earlier fields. Whatever, they aren't planar, so reverses tend to be better. Think C2 crowns as well.

The YouTube post was about the US not the UK who did not reduce the silver content in 1920 but waited until 1964.

all, I recently found what I believe could be a medieval coin while metal detecting in a cornfield in Castletown, Celbridge (Ireland), and I’m hoping to get some opinions on it. The piece is quite small — smaller and thinner than a modern 2 cent coin. It appears worn, but I can make out what looks like a cross on one side. There are also some pellet-like markings, and possibly a letter (maybe an “A”) beneath them, though it’s not very clear. The shape isn’t perfectly round, which made me wonder if it could be clipped, broken from a larger coin, or possibly even a token rather than an official issue. The metal doesn’t seem obviously copper — I initially thought it might be silver, but I’m not certain. I’ve attached photos of both sides. Unfortunately, the detail is quite faint, but I’d really appreciate any thoughts on: What type of coin this might be Whether it looks medieval (and if so, what period) Or if it could be something else entirely (token, foreign, etc.) Thanks in advance for any help!

Difficult one. The obverse looks good - VF I'd say - but I do have some problems with the reverse, which looks somewhat too detailed for a coin of this grade. Having said that, this type did have a wider/thicker/more protective rim on the reverse compared to the obverse, so it may be kosher. If it is, then you have a very nice coin.

Yes, probably repunched. You can in fact see traces of something underlying - just above the I, between the red lines.

I'd be very interested to learn the sources you used for the knowledge you've acquired? No accusations, I'm just genuinely interested!

Not quite sure what you're saying? The Mint stopped using 92.5% silver from 1920 as the price of silver during WW1 had risen to the point where it exceeded the face value of the coins being struck. Yes, it came down again a few years later, but the Mint were never going to reverse their decision. The same thing happened after WW2 when silver was abandoned altogether but this time it never came down to make using it for coins cost-effective. I'd treat YouTube videos with a large pinch of salt!

You are just very unusual, that’s all, you have the language and insights of someone who has put years into understanding numismatics, not short months. You appear to have achieved a great deal of knowledge in a very short timeframe, it’s baffling…I’d take it as a compliment!

Do you resent me for putting in the legwork and finding the coins I have found? You cant sit back overlook the coins then to make yourself feel better about it by start chucking around accusations. I'm not weird for your shortcomings.

Why should I constantly have to prove myself. You bought no value to this discussion instead you suggest im being dishonest. Im really starting to find it rude. What is so hard to understand about asking a valid question? You have been quite supportive to my journey so far then suddenly you getting all weird.

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What are you talking about ? I found a coin online for sale that is a 1874 H which I have identified as 10+J ( I could be wrong) And it would appear it has has a thick rim. I'm simply asking the forum for advice.............. I dont understand these assumptions/accusations what's it all about? what is the problem. I'm asking a genuine question to the forum looking for advice and thoughts on my theory I have put forward. What is so mind boggling to you about this? The questions is really simple. Yes I have used my brain in producing this question why is that so alarming? Tell me what is weird? What's not elementary? pitch me? explain to me what you are getting at