terrysoldpennies

I picked this one up recently , A stunning piece as you can see 😂.I wish . But , its an F21 3+d 1861 and on Richards rare list I payed sixteen pounds for it in a terrible state . Both pictures below and after a clean up

Yes its a 3+D ,

Well, I would love to be a Numismatist , but alas I'm an Oldmismatist 😧

That coin has the modified head found on the 1926 ME and on the 1927 ?

The one thing I have noticed that seems to be present on all genuine Victorian copper pennies, is the wider tooth under the 4 in the date , which shows up very nicely on your Picture Jerry oops make that Ian 😁

Yes I think your right Richard about the Ad comparison Terry

The Ae has the 0 directly over tooth 13 as shown by Gouby. My coin is exactly 13 teeth which is the same as the Gouby Ae . But your coin has the 0 slightly to the left of tooth 13 so you could say its a 12.3/4 tooth width and is unlisted Maybe I'm nit picking as the difference is miniscule , but there must have been two dies as in my example the 7 is high in the exergue and in yours its lower down below the other digits in the date I trust I make myself perfectly obscure.

Sorry Richard .This Picture you show is not listed by Gouby. I failed to count the teeth on Goubys Ac which is a left of tooth 12 example , yours is a just to the left of tooth 13 and is in fact a 12 and 3/4 width , where as the gouby Ae has the 0 directly over tooth 13

Yes Pete , Richards and Michaels are Ac, and the one I have shown is the Ae 13 tooth with the 0 directly over the tooth.

I'm sorry to have to disagree with you both as your two coins are both Ac with the 0 just to the left of the tooth. below is a picture of all the different date widths I have found , and an Ae to compare with.

That really is an odd one , there seems to be no sign of damage or tampering with the coin ?

What a good way to work out at the same time as collecting, he must have developed a fair set of Biceps moving all that copper 😉

Unfortunately I think that the best coins are being bought up by the very rich, purely as investments along with art and classic cars, which are also sky rocketing. I collect mainly Pennies and over the last few years it seems to me that most of the rare types are rarely come onto the market. 😞