1911 Pennies

[Peckris 579]

A possible explanation of the differences in shape, spacing and general appearence of the border teeth and rim on the obverse is that there were specimens of the early George V coins where the obverse rim is abnormally raised. This applies to 1911, 1912 and 1913.

And most of all to 1912H which possibly has the highest rims of all? One reason why so many obverses survived in around VF or near to it.

[RobJ 0]

It has been very interesting reading through this Topic. I certainly know where to look now should I encounter any 1911 Pennies to check if it is a 'Hollow Neck.'

Great work Gary. Well Done.

[Cerbera100 0]

Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate...

[Bronze & Copper Collector 401]

Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate...

I've only found the 2 in the past 8-10 years or so..... So they definitely are UNCOMMON.... especially with so few acknowledged

[RobJ 0]

Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate...

The only way that it may depreciate is if hundreds were found and the market was flooded with them. As pointed out they are uncommon, so I think that your purchase would be quite safe.

[Gary D 76]

I bought mine from Michael Gouby then later I pulled two off of ebay. The first I respun onto ebay with disapointing results, I got about £30 for it. The second I put into a London Coins auction and got about £30 for it. In both cases about 1/3 what I paid for mine

Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate...

The only way that it may depreciate is if hundreds were found and the market was flooded with them. As pointed out they are uncommon, so I think that your purchase would be quite safe.

[Cerbera100 0]

Cool, thanks guys! Was beginning to think I'd bought into a variety too early like my muppett of a friend who paid £250 for a dateless 20p! I did warn him

[davidrj 194]

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The hollow Neck tag should be laid to rest as there are normal 1911 pennies that display this characteristic, at least in pictures anyway. Davidrj bought this penny thinking it was a "hollow neck" and I can see why, only to be confirmed wrong on receiving it.

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Interested to see this listing of 8 1912H pennies, definitely a hint of "hollowness" in the two top left

Could this be where the confusion arises re the reported hollow necks for 1912? None look to have border teeth prominent enough for Gouby X

Are there two dies here with Gouby X being a 3rd variant in 1911. or can we put this down to strike quality?

[Accumulator 52]

Interested to see this listing of 8 1912H pennies, definitely a hint of "hollowness" in the two top left

Could this be where the confusion arises re the reported hollow necks for 1912? None look to have border teeth prominent enough for Gouby X

Are there two dies here with Gouby X being a 3rd variant in 1911. or can we put this down to strike quality?

I just did a quick check of 70 x 1912 & 1912H pennies I have and none of them are Gouby X. I appreciate this doesn't prove anything, but it might help. As an aside, I've never been convinced by the 'hollow neck' description.

[RLC35 288]

Just for the fun of it, I just went thru 2 rolls of 1912H Pennies, and I didn't find any Gouby-x's either!

[josie 8]

1 1912, 24 1912H no I in BRITT PDT.

What is the pointing of I in IMP in 1912H?

[Accumulator 52]

Just for the fun of it, I just went thru 2 rolls of 1912H Pennies, and I didn't find any Gouby-x's either!

Bob, you have 2 rolls of 1912H's? That sounds like mint rolls, but surely not? I presume that's the US expression for two of those coin tubes full of used 1912H's? Still, that's a lot of coins!

[Accumulator 52]

1 1912, 24 1912H no I in BRITT PDT.

What is the pointing of I in IMP in 1912H?

Gouby X has I of BRITT to a tooth, NOT a gap.

[josie 8]

1 1912, 24 1912H no I in BRITT PDT.

What is the pointing of I in IMP in 1912H?

Gouby X has I of BRITT to a tooth, NOT a gap.

Clear I of BRITT Points Directly to Tooth.

[davidrj 194]

I just did a quick check of 70 x 1912 & 1912H pennies I have and none of them are Gouby X. I appreciate this doesn't prove anything, but it might help. As an aside, I've never been convinced by the 'hollow neck' description.

I'm not suggesting that Gouby X exists in 1912

However there are two "hollow" neck shilling dies for 1911 plus the "round neck"

I don't know whether there is a third die type for 1911/2 pennies , if there is, then the difference is minimal.

But I would suggest that these slight neck hollowings (real or artifactual) are what was observed by Freeman, and that he never saw the Gouby X obverse

Edited March 4, 2011 by davidrj

[RLC35 288]

Just for the fun of it, I just went thru 2 rolls of 1912H Pennies, and I didn't find any Gouby-x's either!

Bob, you have 2 rolls of 1912H's? That sounds like mint rolls, but surely not? I presume that's the US expression for two of those coin tubes full of used 1912H's? Still, that's a lot of coins!

I wish they were mint rolls! But they are circulated rolls of 25 coins each. I bought them 40 years ago, at the same time I bought the 1926 Pennies. Most are in Fine condition, some a little better.

[AardHawk 73]

Here's V.R.Court's survey results from Coin Monthly Sept 1972.

[scott 129]

oh interesting, would be nice to see all the article for everything

[Peter 615]

oh interesting, would be nice to see all the article for everything

We were talking about coin mags on another thread....This is why I still have my old CM's but the Coin News are usually binned after about 3 months.

[Peckris 579]

Here's V.R.Court's survey results from Coin Monthly Sept 1972.

oh interesting, would be nice to see all the article for everything

Interesting - a ratio of 122 : 1 at a time when it was largely unknown. I'll take that! (And I agree scott - it would be nice)

[AardHawk 73]

I have created a pdf of the article at http://www.mediafire.com/?vmxr5ntsc8g6pux

[declanwmagee 122]

I have created a pdf of the article at http://www.mediafire.com/?vmxr5ntsc8g6pux

good effort, Mr AardHawk - what a star!

[RLC35 288]

Aardhawk,

Interesting article, thanks for posting!

[Accumulator 52]

I have created a pdf of the article at http://www.mediafire.com/?vmxr5ntsc8g6pux

Great job... thank you! Some really interesting info. in there!

[SionGilbey 1]

I've just found my Camera Microscope... if a digital microscope image would be useful for anything let me know.