After some advice on a couple of purchases...1804 Trade Dollar, and 17

[evansuk2000]

Hi all, I have just bought these 2 coins for £215...Do you think I got a decent deal? I love the Trade Dollar and have been after one for a long time...what grade would you say they might be?

Also there are a couple of small blemishes on the trade dollar near 'Georgious' are these nothing to worry about? just cosmetic?

Thanks for your time

Link is to ebay listing I won:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141351110127?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

[evansuk2000]

Also won't let me edit, but I'm going to sell the 1822 Crown, and keep the Trade Dollar, and the 1747 coin weight...can't seem to find much info on the coin weight!?

[Peckris]

The coin weight was made in Britain for the Portuguese (Johannes V) - there's one for sale here : http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pavlos_s_pavlou_numismatist/131/product/great_britainae3_pound_12_coin_weight_for_portuguese_gold_coin_1747signed_by_kirk/383097/Default.aspx in about the same condition as your example.

Get what you can for the Crown, it's not worth much more than scrap. The dollar looks presentable and would be worth the outlay alone in that condition, especially as there is some evidence of the underlying original Spanish coin. I'd say you did ok there!

Edited July 23, 2014 by Peckris

[evansuk2000]

Ok managed to attatch pics

[evansuk2000]

The coin weight was made in Britain for the Portuguese (Johannes V) - there's one for sale here : http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pavlos_s_pavlou_numismatist/131/product/great_britainae3_pound_12_coin_weight_for_portuguese_gold_coin_1747signed_by_kirk/383097/Default.aspx in about the same condition as your example.

Get what you can for the Crown, it's not worth much more than scrap. The dollar looks very presentable and would be worth the outlay alone in that condition. I'd say you did ok there!

Thanks, I've been looking for months for one, and I'm really pleased with it! So the blemishes on the back (Small black mark near Georgious) is okay?!

Thanks again.

[evansuk2000]

I was thinking the 1804 Dollar would be inbetween VF - EF, would like to hear your opinion also

Right I'll calm down now, bit manic after buying that.

[Peckris]

What you're calling 'blemishes' is the trace of underlying legend from the original coin, and hence desirable. I'd rate the obverse as VF+ and the reverse a bit better, so you're spot on.

[bagerap]

You've bought my favourite coin, the dollar, for a very good price.

The weight linked to by Peck is overpriced, but yours has a chance of getting near that figure. I sold one privately in May for £65 which wasn't quite as good.

[Nicholas]

Nice authentic coins that have an historical look about them. Good buying! The blemishes on these Dollars often come from the original coin it over struck that would have its own blemishes and oxidation that 'mixes' in with the new coin.

[evansuk2000]

Thanks for the informative replies people, always nice on this forum

[Nicholas]

BTW traces of the underlying coin which can be faintly seen on your example around the coin rim in places is considered more desirable and hence more valuable.

[HistoricCoinage]

Very nice coins! I do like the dollars indeed.

BTW traces of the underlying coin which can be faintly seen on your example around the coin rim in places is considered more desirable and hence more valuable.

It seems pretty strong just before 'ENGLAND'.

[Nicholas]

and a large A just between GEORGIOUS and III on the OBV then a large N

Edited July 23, 2014 by Nicholas

[Peckris]

Do we know if counterstruck coins were always obverse - to - obverse, and reverse - to - reverse? Or do sometimes original reverse details appear on what is now the obverse, and vice versa?

[Nicholas]

I can't imagine that the 3 million or so Spanish 8 Reales were individually stacked right side up before striking..

http://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital%20BNJ/pdfs/2000_BNJ_70_11.pdf

Edited July 24, 2014 by Nicholas

[Peckris]

I can't imagine that the 3 million or so Spanish 8 Reales were individually stacked right side up before striking..

http://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital%20BNJ/pdfs/2000_BNJ_70_11.pdf

No, that makes sense. Unless the guy responsible at the Mint had OCD.

[Nicholas]

That's a funny image.

[CartwheelTwopence]

Looks like you got a descent deal! I really like the trade dollar and the 1822 crown - it's a shame it's only worth a little above scrap... Still, I am very surprised they accepted £215 over their buy it now price of almost £400! Well done, I say.