A thousand years of pennies!

[Justin]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

[Justin]

The reverse.

Oh just another question, what would be a fair price to pay for this?

[Coinery]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

It's 2nd Issue S2558 (the Martlet PM is the thing you need to be looking at in the very first instance - just before Elizabeth on the obverse).

For your ticket it's Bust 3H, and BCW Penny MR-2:a6. North 1988.

Around £40 would be OK

[Justin]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

It's 2nd Issue S2558 (the Martlet PM is the thing you need to be looking at in the very first instance - just before Elizabeth on the obverse).

For your ticket it's Bust 3H, and BCW Penny MR-2:a6. North 1988.

Around £40 would be OK

Thanks Stuart appreciated,

Awesome on the price too! bought for 22 so makes the grin bigger!

[Rob]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

I admire your laudible target and your optimism, but unless you are prepared to dig deep suspect the wheels will come off the bus. You will struggle finding a Harthacnut, Harold II or a William II for under a thousand, not to mention the minor inconvenience of an Edward the Martyr - One type, always popular, portrait coin, always expensive. And the major inconvenience of an Edward VIII which I recommend you start saving for now.

[Accumulator]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

I admire your laudible target and your optimism, but unless you are prepared to dig deep suspect the wheels will come off the bus. You will struggle finding a Harthacnut, Harold II or a William II for under a thousand, not to mention the minor inconvenience of an Edward the Martyr - One type, always popular, portrait coin, always expensive. And the major inconvenience of an Edward VIII which I recommend you start saving for now.

At the moment 1797-1970 takes all my time (and cash), but I like the idea of extending the collection in the way you suggest. The only disappointment for me is that earlier pennies are just too physically small to excite (apologies to the farthing collectors!). I'm beginning to like crowns

[Coinery]

I'm beginning to like crowns

The whole forum's gone bananas! I think we should all drink 'bottled' water until we can work out what the hell's going on around here?

[Rob]

I'm beginning to like crowns

The whole forum's gone bananas! I think we should all drink 'bottled' water until we can work out what the hell's going on around here?

What's your problem. Ask questions and a few brain cells flicker into life in people's heads. If the topic is stimulting enough, a percentage will take it on board. No bottled water required - pah.

Anyway, what's going on is a realisation that there are more things in the wider numismatic world than an individual's collecting sphere which is usually restricted on the dubious grounds of not being able to afford to collect something. This is a red herring because most people can't afford to complete the series they are currently working on anyway. Vive la difference.

[Coinery]

I'm beginning to like crowns

The whole forum's gone bananas! I think we should all drink 'bottled' water until we can work out what the hell's going on around here?

What's your problem. Ask questions and a few brain cells flicker into life in people's heads. If the topic is stimulting enough, a percentage will take it on board. No bottled water required - pah.

Anyway, what's going on is a realisation that there are more things in the wider numismatic world than an individual's collecting sphere which is usually restricted on the dubious grounds of not being able to afford to collect something. This is a red herring because most people can't afford to complete the series they are currently working on anyway. Vive la difference.

It's all great stuff, some really interesting takes on things recently!

Nice 6d, by the way, thank-you!

[Rob]

Nice 6d, by the way, thank-you!

No problem.

[Justin]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

I admire your laudible target and your optimism, but unless you are prepared to dig deep suspect the wheels will come off the bus. You will struggle finding a Harthacnut, Harold II or a William II for under a thousand, not to mention the minor inconvenience of an Edward the Martyr - One type, always popular, portrait coin, always expensive. And the major inconvenience of an Edward VIII which I recommend you start saving for now.

Thanks Rob

I did check out the prices intially and some did make me twice! But if it never gets finished I don't mind, the goal and the hunt is what matters for the collection at the moment, and not buying coins just to fill a gap!

Some compromises may have to be made (such as dropping to VF for the bun heads, but I actually prefer the pre 1895 pennies in VF I think its due to the history and that they were handled probably!) everything post 1895 is as close to Unc as I can afford apart from some of the scarcer coins I will settle for VF or F if needs be.

As for the Edward VIII if had that money to throw about I would have a complete collection of every penny, mint etc plus a mansion, 20 odd cars................... etc. But if I ever saved that amount there is no way in hell I could convince SWMBO to buy a single coin for that amount (or her description "a piece of metal!!!! ).

It will definitely prove interesting when I start with the more expensive hammered coins!

[Rob]

As for the Edward VIII if had that money to throw about I would have a complete collection of every penny, mint etc plus a mansion, 20 odd cars................... etc.

Even that wouldn't work. You could have all the money in the world, but if someone doesn't want to sell that unique coin, you're b******d.

[Peckris]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

I admire your laudible target and your optimism, but unless you are prepared to dig deep suspect the wheels will come off the bus. You will struggle finding a Harthacnut, Harold II or a William II for under a thousand, not to mention the minor inconvenience of an Edward the Martyr - One type, always popular, portrait coin, always expensive. And the major inconvenience of an Edward VIII which I recommend you start saving for now.

Thanks Rob

I did check out the prices intially and some did make me twice! But if it never gets finished I don't mind, the goal and the hunt is what matters for the collection at the moment, and not buying coins just to fill a gap!

Some compromises may have to be made (such as dropping to VF for the bun heads, but I actually prefer the pre 1895 pennies in VF I think its due to the history and that they were handled probably!) everything post 1895 is as close to Unc as I can afford apart from some of the scarcer coins I will settle for VF or F if needs be.

As for the Edward VIII if had that money to throw about I would have a complete collection of every penny, mint etc plus a mansion, 20 odd cars................... etc. But if I ever saved that amount there is no way in hell I could convince SWMBO to buy a single coin for that amount (or her description "a piece of metal!!!! ).

It will definitely prove interesting when I start with the more expensive hammered coins!

Your bun policy is romantic and laudable in its own way. However, do be aware that if you are prepared to tolerate a variety of grades in your collection there is great scope for affordable completion. For example, buns from 1887 to 1893 are readily available in EF or better - with lustre - for very reasonable prices. Especially 1890-92 for some reason. F or GF could be reserved for difficult dates like 1864, 1869, 1871, 1865/3, 1875H, and then you could hover around the VF mark (+/-) for everything else. In fact, most dates can be picked up at good prices in GVF and you could even go EF+ for the common varieties of 1860-61, and 1862-63.

[Justin]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

I admire your laudible target and your optimism, but unless you are prepared to dig deep suspect the wheels will come off the bus. You will struggle finding a Harthacnut, Harold II or a William II for under a thousand, not to mention the minor inconvenience of an Edward the Martyr - One type, always popular, portrait coin, always expensive. And the major inconvenience of an Edward VIII which I recommend you start saving for now.

Thanks Rob

I did check out the prices intially and some did make me twice! But if it never gets finished I don't mind, the goal and the hunt is what matters for the collection at the moment, and not buying coins just to fill a gap!

Some compromises may have to be made (such as dropping to VF for the bun heads, but I actually prefer the pre 1895 pennies in VF I think its due to the history and that they were handled probably!) everything post 1895 is as close to Unc as I can afford apart from some of the scarcer coins I will settle for VF or F if needs be.

As for the Edward VIII if had that money to throw about I would have a complete collection of every penny, mint etc plus a mansion, 20 odd cars................... etc. But if I ever saved that amount there is no way in hell I could convince SWMBO to buy a single coin for that amount (or her description "a piece of metal!!!! ).

It will definitely prove interesting when I start with the more expensive hammered coins!

Your bun policy is romantic and laudable in its own way. However, do be aware that if you are prepared to tolerate a variety of grades in your collection there is great scope for affordable completion. For example, buns from 1887 to 1893 are readily available in EF or better - with lustre - for very reasonable prices. Especially 1890-92 for some reason. F or GF could be reserved for difficult dates like 1864, 1869, 1871, 1865/3, 1875H, and then you could hover around the VF mark (+/-) for everything else. In fact, most dates can be picked up at good prices in GVF and you could even go EF+ for the common varieties of 1860-61, and 1862-63.

Thanks Peck,

Thats good to know and fully noted!

I will be still be attempting to buy the best that money can afford so the higher grades will still be present throughout a considerable portion of the collection as I don't want to fall into the trap of completing a section and then going back through to make upgrades later. My rate of purchases has dramatically reduced which is another bonus as I am only prepared to buy the best that I can rather than just become attached to gap filling for the sake of it!

It also means I can keep Mrs J happier with less arrivals !

[Rob]

Hi all,

Well here it starts, ( I hold you parly responsible Peck! )

I have just made my first step on this numismatic historical journey prior to copper/bronze pennies with this;

A Elizabeth 1 penny,

If possible, as I know bugger all about hammered pennies at the minute apart from looking in Spink Can anyone give me which issue during the reign it is, a stab in the dark from me would be sixth or seventh issue?? And what bust or even better what is the Spink number so I can copy that to the ticket!

My intention is to have the coins start from 959 - 1970. Prior to 1797 I will be trying to keep it to one coin per reign initially and go for the best I can buy. This was only a tester to see if I liked the hammered coinage and how easy it would be to identify!

I hope to upload my additions to the millennia of pennies on this topic as to keep a small record and in one place, and of course to get some advice and help identifying the pre milled pennies which are very confusing!

Reverse to follow

Thanks all!

I admire your laudible target and your optimism, but unless you are prepared to dig deep suspect the wheels will come off the bus. You will struggle finding a Harthacnut, Harold II or a William II for under a thousand, not to mention the minor inconvenience of an Edward the Martyr - One type, always popular, portrait coin, always expensive. And the major inconvenience of an Edward VIII which I recommend you start saving for now.

Thanks Rob

I did check out the prices intially and some did make me twice! But if it never gets finished I don't mind, the goal and the hunt is what matters for the collection at the moment, and not buying coins just to fill a gap!

Some compromises may have to be made (such as dropping to VF for the bun heads, but I actually prefer the pre 1895 pennies in VF I think its due to the history and that they were handled probably!) everything post 1895 is as close to Unc as I can afford apart from some of the scarcer coins I will settle for VF or F if needs be.

As for the Edward VIII if had that money to throw about I would have a complete collection of every penny, mint etc plus a mansion, 20 odd cars................... etc. But if I ever saved that amount there is no way in hell I could convince SWMBO to buy a single coin for that amount (or her description "a piece of metal!!!! ).

It will definitely prove interesting when I start with the more expensive hammered coins!

Your bun policy is romantic and laudable in its own way. However, do be aware that if you are prepared to tolerate a variety of grades in your collection there is great scope for affordable completion. For example, buns from 1887 to 1893 are readily available in EF or better - with lustre - for very reasonable prices. Especially 1890-92 for some reason. F or GF could be reserved for difficult dates like 1864, 1869, 1871, 1865/3, 1875H, and then you could hover around the VF mark (+/-) for everything else. In fact, most dates can be picked up at good prices in GVF and you could even go EF+ for the common varieties of 1860-61, and 1862-63.

Thanks Peck,

Thats good to know and fully noted!

I will be still be attempting to buy the best that money can afford so the higher grades will still be present throughout a considerable portion of the collection as I don't want to fall into the trap of completing a section and then going back through to make upgrades later. My rate of purchases has dramatically reduced which is another bonus as I am only prepared to buy the best that I can rather than just become attached to gap filling for the sake of it!

It also means I can keep Mrs J happier with less arrivals !

No chance. You have just moved the goalposts. The moaning will continue unabated.

[TomGoodheart]

I'm beginning to like crowns

The whole forum's gone bananas! I think we should all drink 'bottled' water until we can work out what the hell's going on around here?

LOL I think it's partly what Rob says, it's a big collecting world and other people's enthusiasm eventually rubs off on us.

Plus I don't know about other areas, but there's little quality hammered Chas I around as far as I can see. After a period of buying very little I started to think beyond 'that looks nice' to actually considering expanding my horizons a bit.

[Colin G.]

I'm beginning to like crowns

The whole forum's gone bananas! I think we should all drink 'bottled' water until we can work out what the hell's going on around here?

LOL I think it's partly what Rob says, it's a big collecting world and other people's enthusiasm eventually rubs off on us.

Plus I don't know about other areas, but there's little quality hammered Chas I around as far as I can see. After a period of buying very little I started to think beyond 'that looks nice' to actually considering expanding my horizons a bit.

It is interesting that there is certainly a reduction in the number of larger hammered coins being found by detectorists. I think as the largest detecting targets it was inevitable that the numbers being found would reduce. I have no doubt there will be more hoards, but your hammered frisbees may be a smart area of investment.......you watch a load of Charlie hoards will be found now!!

[TomGoodheart]

It is interesting that there is certainly a reduction in the number of larger hammered coins being found by detectorists. I think as the largest detecting targets it was inevitable that the numbers being found would reduce. I have no doubt there will be more hoards, but your hammered frisbees may be a smart area of investment.......you watch a load of Charlie hoards will be found now!!

Yes, it makes sense that larger coins would be found first. Then as detector technology improves and people start to go over 'old ground' the smaller denominations and deeper coins come to light.

Whether we've seen the peak of it, I don't know. I suspect there's still a fair amount of land yet to go. But eventually everything that can readily be found and dug up presumably will be. Leaving only the remotest areas, or the impractical, such as under roads or buildings still to be explored.