shanew Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 hi everyone need some help on this coin from a estate lot in australia the old bloke use to work for the london mint in the 40s 50s its pcgs graded Quote
Chris Perkins Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 It's a 1951 crown reverse which was made by using a Victorian crown reverse. This is probably a stage from that process (Victorian die adjusted to remove the original date so that '1951' could be added). I imagine that's what it is! Quote
shanew Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 It's a 1951 crown reverse which was made by using a Victorian crown reverse. This is probably a stage from that process (Victorian die adjusted to remove the original date so that '1951' could be added). I imagine that's what it is!thanks criss do you now what is worth in the estate lot there was some dies with this lot i am trying to find info on the dies before i post pixs as im not shore if these dies should have left the mint back in the 50s Quote
Chris Perkins Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Difficult to value. What else have you got? I once bought some things from the son of a man that was employed as a designer at the Royal Mint at about that time. Quote
VickySilver Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, I am also quite familiar with many of these trial strikes and patterns. I must admit, this particular specimen is not generally known but follows the trend of what the Royal Mint was doing in the 1920s with George V and 1937 with earlier George VI - 1937 issues- in which there were entire denomination runs with trial obverses and reverses. Also true for Edward VIII. Krause Standard Catalog of World Coins has a section on patterns and trials, but mainly reporting on the earlier bits I have mentioned.Dies from this era I am unfamiliar with. Are you sure they are not matrices as these were also made.I might be interested in this material as well as I am rather advanced in this area, so you may PM me if you don't want it all out on a public forum. Quote
shanew Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, I am also quite familiar with many of these trial strikes and patterns. I must admit, this particular specimen is not generally known but follows the trend of what the Royal Mint was doing in the 1920s with George V and 1937 with earlier George VI - 1937 issues- in which there were entire denomination runs with trial obverses and reverses. Also true for Edward VIII. Krause Standard Catalog of World Coins has a section on patterns and trials, but mainly reporting on the earlier bits I have mentioned.Dies from this era I am unfamiliar with. Are you sure they are not matrices as these were also made.I might be interested in this material as well as I am rather advanced in this area, so you may PM me if you don't want it all out on a public forum.sample Quote
VickySilver Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 This looks to be a type of matrix.... Quote
declanwmagee Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, I am also quite familiar with many of these trial strikes and patterns. I must admit, this particular specimen is not generally known but follows the trend of what the Royal Mint was doing in the 1920s with George V and 1937 with earlier George VI - 1937 issues- in which there were entire denomination runs with trial obverses and reverses. Also true for Edward VIII. Krause Standard Catalog of World Coins has a section on patterns and trials, but mainly reporting on the earlier bits I have mentioned.Dies from this era I am unfamiliar with. Are you sure they are not matrices as these were also made.I might be interested in this material as well as I am rather advanced in this area, so you may PM me if you don't want it all out on a public forum.sampleIs that Edward VIII ? Quote
shanew Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 This looks to be a type of matrix....got now idea what a mtrics is dought some old coins in australia from a deceased estate took the aussie coins out have some old dies and that coin i now he worked at the mint in the 40s and 50s that all i now about it so fare Quote
shanew Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 was thinking of sending them to some auction in england to send them home were they belong here is the outher one Quote
VickySilver Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) This also looks to be matrix material. Hopefully not too much corrosion or damage...This would be George VI not E8.Also, Steve Hill at Baldwin would be the man on this material IMO.He will also confirm there are many such pieces NOT in Merry Olde'LOL, I might know something of quite a few... Edited February 12, 2013 by VickySilver Quote
azda Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, I am also quite familiar with many of these trial strikes and patterns. I must admit, this particular specimen is not generally known but follows the trend of what the Royal Mint was doing in the 1920s with George V and 1937 with earlier George VI - 1937 issues- in which there were entire denomination runs with trial obverses and reverses. Also true for Edward VIII. Krause Standard Catalog of World Coins has a section on patterns and trials, but mainly reporting on the earlier bits I have mentioned.Dies from this era I am unfamiliar with. Are you sure they are not matrices as these were also made.I might be interested in this material as well as I am rather advanced in this area, so you may PM me if you don't want it all out on a public forum.sample The bust on this looks almost comical. Chinp like face with a Pinocchio nose that you could Hang your coat on. I'd agree with an auction though, they would find their market value. Quote
Peckris Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 This also looks to be matrix material. Hopefully not too much corrosion or damage...This would be George VI not E8.Also, Steve Hill at Baldwin would be the man on this material IMO.He will also confirm there are many such pieces NOT in Merry Olde'LOL, I might know something of quite a few...I wonder how you're sure about that - considering their UK portraits are almost identical? Quote
VickySilver Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, that is true mostly. The problem as I found out when I sold some proofs at Spink not so very long ago is that the prices were a bit UNDERWHELMING and less than I would have been able to sell for otherwise, and had to subtract out shipping, insurance, and commissions not to mention all the other sundry charges. The two matrices you showed would likely not attract a lot of interest, the crown moreso though sadly lacking a date and being only the rev. trial.Another thing the RM did was to mark/inscribe or number specimens and then either leave them that way, or heaven forbid, SCRATCH out the details. In fact, I have a pattern 1951 where they did just that - yikes! Your firstmost piece appears to show some rough handling as well and was lucky to slab as a "62". In general, the more valuable bits are either those with complete obverse and reverses with date or second choice either the obv. or reverse complete with the designation "MODEL" on the opposite side. Quote
Peckris Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Ummm, because I have some?That would be a clincher You could have said, though... Quote
VickySilver Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, too snotty. Sorry, off my Wheaties on the home front. Quote
shanew Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 your right it does look comical like a chimp but its nose looks like that but when you push it on play dough the chimp nose is normal as that part were it sticks out is the nostrole i have seen this bust used on the pennys and crown in the 30s from jersy /jamaica west indies british colonys like i said i dont have any britsh coins to compare i have a few from world coins and it looks like that sort of head theouther one with no crown is told to me to be the die from the 1951 festival coin Quote
Paulus Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 your right it does look comical like a chimp but its nose looks like that but when you push it on play dough the chimp nose is normal as that part were it sticks out is the nostrole i have seen this bust used on the pennys and crown in the 30s from jersy /jamaica west indies british colonys like i said i dont have any britsh coins to compare i have a few from world coins and it looks like that sort of head theouther one with no crown is told to me to be the die from the 1951 festival coinNow there is a technique I haven't tried! Yikes!!!! Quote
shanew Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 THESE WERE WITH IT and some more to come someone must have some idea on its price and the photo dont do it justice its ch/unc Quote
Rob Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 THESE WERE WITH IT and some more to come someone must have some idea on its price and the photo dont do it justice its ch/uncThis is a standard FoB crown with the original box. Perfect condition, £10 max though probably less. Quote
shanew Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 THESE WERE WITH IT and some more to come someone must have some idea on its price and the photo dont do it justice its ch/uncThis is a standard FoB crown with the original box. Perfect condition, £10 max though probably less. sorry rod the ch/unc was ment for the trial n the pcgs cant get a guess on the price of that one Quote
VickySilver Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I think this is a very interesting specimen despite getting only a "62". It is a bit limited by no reverse, and no date, and by being in copper nickel, and without the standard "MODEL" on what would be the oberse. Perhaps others could pitch in, but therefore I think ballpark -WAG: wholesale 600 retail 1200This is the type of coin that Baldwin would list for BIG money. I have no trouble with an offer on PM to me. Quote
Peckris Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 THESE WERE WITH IT and some more to come someone must have some idea on its price and the photo dont do it justice its ch/uncThis is a standard FoB crown with the original box. Perfect condition, £10 max though probably less. sorry rod the ch/unc was ment for the trial n the pcgs cant get a guess on the price of that oneSorry shane - we do insist on English here Quote
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