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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

Hello and welcome to the forum. Although your photographs are not terribly clear it would appear you have an 1882H victorian 'bun head' penny (look for the small letter 'H' below the date, denoting the Heaton mint). Unfortunately the coin appears to have been cleaned and is in poor condition. In this state it is of little value to a collector.

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I'm sorry that this is a bit off topic. but I have been meaning to ask you Accumulator...what IS that coin that you use as your avatar ? :huh:

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I'm sorry that this is a bit off topic. but I have been meaning to ask you Accumulator...what IS that coin that you use as your avatar ? :huh:

I'll get in first. :) More's model ?

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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

It is a bit of history but unfortunatly cleaned.However the grade is very low so a £7 coin becomes 50p. :(

Get yourself an uncirculated,uncleaned version and then you can appreciate the beauty of the Victorian Bun head copper.

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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

Hello and welcome to the forum. Although your photographs are not terribly clear it would appear you have an 1882H victorian 'bun head' penny (look for the small letter 'H' below the date, denoting the Heaton mint). Unfortunately the coin appears to have been cleaned and is in poor condition. In this state it is of little value to a collector.

many thanks for your reply

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I'm sorry that this is a bit off topic. but I have been meaning to ask you Accumulator...what IS that coin that you use as your avatar ? :huh:

A pattern penny by Joseph Moore, struck in 1844, though there are also undated pennies and halfpennies which are much more common and can be picked up for a few pounds. The piece in question is a Peck 2088. Joseph Moore was a Birmingham die sinker who alos produced a number of patterns dated 1860. The model coins were produced in considerable numbers and found favour with the public who had to carry around the heavy mint pennies in the normal course of trade. The diameter for the model pennies is 22.5mm compared to 34 for the mint product. They are also thinner. They were so popular that the mint had to dislaim any responsibility for them.

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Oh.....I see!

Does that mean Accumulator owns one of the 3 1844's in existence?!! link :ph34r:

Hi Debbie, Rob has said just about everything I could have told you about the coin. And yes, I believe there are only 3 or 4 of the 1844 dated pennies in existence. I also have one of the spelling error (PENNEY instead of PENNY) coins which are fun.

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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

It is a bit of history but unfortunatly cleaned.However the grade is very low so a £7 coin becomes 50p. :(

Get yourself an uncirculated,uncleaned version and then you can appreciate the beauty of the Victorian Bun head copper.

Not FDC, but a reasonable example. Note the missing bar to the H:

Penny1882H%20F115%2012%20+%20N%20REV%20500x500.jpgPenny1882H%20F115%2012%20+%20N%20OBV%20500x500.jpg

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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

Sorry, my mind reading abilities have gone a bit rusty. Perhaps Derren Brown might help? :D

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Nice photo and fab coin! Thanks for that.

I like how you can see the beading on the inner ring at the top looks doubled up - little things... :)

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Oh.....I see!

Does that mean Accumulator owns one of the 3 1844's in existence?!! link :ph34r:

Hi Debbie, Rob has said just about everything I could have told you about the coin. And yes, I believe there are only 3 or 4 of the 1844 dated pennies in existence. I also have one of the spelling error (PENNEY instead of PENNY) coins which are fun.

A couple of larger pics:

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One Moore (sorry) thing to add. At least you have the start of a provenance, this coin being the same one as illustrated by David Magnay in Debbie's link (see matching discolouration pattern). If I can remember/find where Magnay sold his model coinage, I'll see if there is any further provenance. I do know they weren't part of his fractionals and 1860 pattern pennies sale at DNW on 3/2/1999.

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One Moore (sorry) thing to add. At least you have the start of a provenance, this coin being the same one as illustrated by David Magnay in Debbie's link (see matching discolouration pattern). If I can remember/find where Magnay sold his model coinage, I'll see if there is any further provenance. I do know they weren't part of his fractionals and 1860 pattern pennies sale at DNW on 3/2/1999.

Thanks Rob. I was led to believe that my coin was ex David Magnay (possibly via Bronze & Copper Collector from this forum?). I'd certainly appreciate any other information you may come across.

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hello need help on why i want to keep this coin is ther any1 got ideas on what or why i want to keep it. as im not a coin collector.any info would be grateful thankspost-7250-005083100 1329498557_thumb.jpg

Sorry, my mind reading abilities have gone a bit rusty. Perhaps Derren Brown might help? :D

My thoughts exactly! After I'd spent 5mins working out what was meant...!

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