William and Mary Farthing

[DaveG38]

There's an interesting tin with plug farthing on eBay at the moment. It has the conjoined busts of William and Mary, similar in style to the 1689 farthing, but is paired with the 'Woods' farthing reverse, which of course would be 1720s, not 1690s. I can't find any reference to it in the irish coinage series. Any ideas anybody? Is it a counterfeit or something else?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160726019147&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Edited January 30, 2012 by DaveG38

[argentumandcoins]

There's an intersting tin with plug farthing on eBay at the moment. It has the conjoined busts of William and Mary, similar in style to the 1689 farthing, but is paired with the 'Woods' farthing reverse, which of course would be 1720s, not 1690s. I can't find any reference to it in the irish coinage series. Any ideas anybody? Is it a counterfiet or something else?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160726019147&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Just looks like a bog standard grotty British tin farthing to me Dave.

The reverse legend is NOT Hibernia but is Britannia by the looks of it.

[Rob]

There's an intersting tin with plug farthing on eBay at the moment. It has the conjoined busts of William and Mary, similar in style to the 1689 farthing, but is paired with the 'Woods' farthing reverse, which of course would be 1720s, not 1690s. I can't find any reference to it in the irish coinage series. Any ideas anybody? Is it a counterfiet or something else?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160726019147&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

I think it is a Peck 563, though I would question whether it's a proof as per Peck if Colin Cooke had a corroded example and this one too would imply currency. I don't have a tin example, but do have the double striking from the dies on a Charles II halfpenny (see Peck p.155 footnote), image below. It is rare and even in that condition worth a punt if you collect farthings.

Edited January 30, 2012 by Rob

[Colin G.]

Rob,

I agree it does seem to be the 1689 type, but as much as I try I just can not get excited about tin farthings!!

As you say may be worth a stab

[DaveG38]

There's an intersting tin with plug farthing on eBay at the moment. It has the conjoined busts of William and Mary, similar in style to the 1689 farthing, but is paired with the 'Woods' farthing reverse, which of course would be 1720s, not 1690s. I can't find any reference to it in the irish coinage series. Any ideas anybody? Is it a counterfiet or something else?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160726019147&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Just looks like a bog standard grotty British tin farthing to me Dave.

The reverse legend is NOT Hibernia but is Britannia by the looks of it.

Duuh, beats head on desk!! Of course it's Britannia - it was the shape of the olive branch that threw me, as it seems to be more curved than normal, rather like the woods type. It's also obvious that it is a shield not a harp, so I'll stop harping on about it.

[argentumandcoins]

Rob,

I agree it does seem to be the 1689 type, but as much as I try I just can not get excited about tin farthings!!

As you say may be worth a stab

Having spent a lot of cash on a James rarity via ebay some years ago it was more than a little f****g annoying to find a rather messy corroded piece of a few hundred pounds in the coin cabinet tray when I opened it a year later. Tin pest, soil/Thames find and no conservation spring to mind. A very costly lesson that I will not be repeating.

[DaveG38]

Rob,

I agree it does seem to be the 1689 type, but as much as I try I just can not get excited about tin farthings!!

As you say may be worth a stab

Having spent a lot of cash on a James rarity via ebay some years ago it was more than a little f****g annoying to find a rather messy corroded piece of a few hundred pounds in the coin cabinet tray when I opened it a year later. Tin pest, soil/Thames find and no conservation spring to mind. A very costly lesson that I will not be repeating.

That's interesting. I've got a number of pieces of tin ware and virtually all of them are river finds, I'd guess, based on their lack of corrosion and silver colour. The only poorer one is a 1687 halfpenny in about VF condition, which has all over corrosion and a few odd nasty looking spots of acne. All of the silver coloured ones are stable as far as I can judge and seem to have been for a number of years. I just wondered if there are any means that can be used to preserve them, or whether they are all destined to dissolve into dust in due course.

[scott]

lucky i only paied a tenner for my corroded mess of a tin farthing of james II.

[Peter]

I just have 1 tin as an example.I don't think I could ever be happy with a tin..apart from baked beans....or a can of Abbot Ale

[davidrj]

I just have 1 tin as an example.I don't think I could ever be happy with a tin..apart from baked beans....or a can of Abbot Ale

Only tin coin I have is this one

16th century Portugal or Portuguese Malacca I think

Ugly but interesting

David

[Peter]

I just have 1 tin as an example.I don't think I could ever be happy with a tin..apart from baked beans....or a can of Abbot Ale

Only tin coin I have is this one

16th century Portugal or Portuguese Malacca I think

Ugly but interesting

Looks like the Calm Sea variety.

David

[Caetobriga]

I just have 1 tin as an example.I don't think I could ever be happy with a tin..apart from baked beans....or a can of Abbot Ale

Only tin coin I have is this one

16th century Portugal or Portuguese Malacca I think

Ugly but interesting

Looks like the Calm Sea variety.

David

It is a portuguese ceitil I believe, but those things are very hard to sort because they were struck in different reigns and there is almost an infinity of varieties. But the material is not tin its copper and I believe it´s not a calm sea.

[davidrj]

I just have 1 tin as an example.I don't think I could ever be happy with a tin..apart from baked beans....or a can of Abbot Ale

Only tin coin I have is this one

16th century Portugal or Portuguese Malacca I think

Ugly but interesting

Looks like the Calm Sea variety.

David

It is a portuguese ceitil I believe, but those things are very hard to sort because they were struck in different reigns and there is almost an infinity of varieties. But the material is not tin its copper and I believe it´s not a calm sea.

Thanks!, this one's been sitting on a ticket with a big question mark on it for some time!

My portugese catalogue only goes back to 1799, I had it as a dhinero

Any idea what date range we're looking at? and where these silver washed?

The "calm sea" reference is an "in joke" referring to two varieties of the 1956 UK halfpenny

David

[Peckris]

I just have 1 tin as an example.I don't think I could ever be happy with a tin..apart from baked beans....or a can of Abbot Ale

Only tin coin I have is this one

16th century Portugal or Portuguese Malacca I think

Ugly but interesting

Looks like the Calm Sea variety.

David

It is a portuguese ceitil I believe, but those things are very hard to sort because they were struck in different reigns and there is almost an infinity of varieties. But the material is not tin its copper and I believe it´s not a calm sea.

Thanks!, this one's been sitting on a ticket with a big question mark on it for some time!

My portugese catalogue only goes back to 1799, I had it as a dhinero

Any idea what date range we're looking at? and where these silver washed?

The "calm sea" reference is an "in joke" referring to two varieties of the 1956 UK halfpenny

David

Tsk - 1957 dear boy

[davidrj]

Tsk - 1957 dear boy

OOPS! sticky fingers

retiring red-faced to corner wearing a conical cap

David

[Peter]

There are also 4 published varieties of the 1957 calm sea 1/2d...you are a bad bad boy