Coins you've never seen

[declanwmagee]

.detached shamrock on pre 1860 farthings is.

Ooh now we are talking!!!

Touché.

Now I'll have to go through all my copper farthings...

[Rob]

Farthings, the new bun pennies.

[Peter]

Farthings, the new bun pennies.

I was remembering with a tear in my eye how my father would call into work on a Saturday and leave me to go through the till and extract anything of interest.

(which was Ddt from my pocket money)During the week anything unusual was put to one side for me.The bun pennies were always worn discs (like the open 3's )My grandfather then produced a big jar of farthings and to my eyes these were in so much better condition that the 1d's & 1/2d's...I was smitten plus the bonus that every family friend seemed to have a pot of these stashed away and they couldn't wait to let me have them....there was only one way my collecting could go.Then came the farthing specialist and the rest is history.

I can still remember buying my 1st UNC Victorian 1/4d (1901)for the pricely sum of 10p in the same transaction I shelled out 50p for a VF 1841 1/2d.

I think farthings are still affordable to the young collector (even some of the harder dates) and haven't gone silly like the bun penny series.

[scott]

10p is cheaper then my UNC 1908 at 25p

1857 farthing with detached shamrock

not seen an 1877 small date penny yet

[Peckris]

Oh FFS , please don't tell me there's more than one variety of 1959S too!

Don't blame me, blame Mr Groom!

I've just pored over my copy.

Two things :

1. How do we know one is more scarce than the other? Dave's book doesn't give that.

2. From the pictures on p137, Type 1 (left) is clearly more worn, which could account for this micro-micro variety.

[Peckris]

10p is cheaper then my UNC 1908 at 25p

Peter's 1901 was probably bought a long time before your 1908 scott Also, bear in mind that an UNC 1908 is a LOT scarcer than an UNC 1901. 25p is a real bargain. When did you get it?

Edited October 10, 2011 by Peckris

[Peter]

I'm not that old Peck Although after a roast chicken and 2 glasses of wine I was Sparko yesterday afternoon and I do occasionally hanker for a murray mint.

[Peckris]

I'm not that old Peck Although after a roast chicken and 2 glasses of wine I was Sparko yesterday afternoon and I do occasionally hanker for a murray mint.

As long as it's not a Werther's Original

[Peter]

10p is cheaper then my UNC 1908 at 25p

Peter's 1901 was probably bought a long time before your 1908 scott Also, bear in mind that an UNC 1908 is a LOT scarcer than an UNC 1901. 25p is a real bargain. When did you get it?

Edwards are rare in top condition but can be picked up.CC list is probably the best guide to what is out there.

I reckon Scott puts the hours in sorting the wheat and deserves a few results.I must confess to like a bit of a rummage in a nice cheap box

[Rob]

This one of Lord Lucan riding Shergar to Hannover.

[scott]

yes it was, it was in a bag of farthings my dealer has, i got a nice 1912 wich has that slick black look too.

found 1874H R over R and an EF 1861 for a quid each.

we need a thread for bargain bin finds.. would be fun.

[Rob]

yes it was, it was in a bag of farthings my dealer has, i got a nice 1912 wich has that slick black look too.

found 1874H R over R and an EF 1861 for a quid each.

we need a thread for bargain bin finds.. would be fun.

We've got one. Most coin acquisitions of the week are bargains in the eyes of the purchasers. Rarely do you push the boat out to acquire a coin at any cost, though it has to happen sometimes when needs must.

Edited October 10, 2011 by Rob

[declanwmagee]

Oh FFS , please don't tell me there's more than one variety of 1959S too!

Don't blame me, blame Mr Groom!

I've just pored over my copy.

Two things :

1. How do we know one is more scarce than the other? Dave's book doesn't give that.

2. From the pictures on p137, Type 1 (left) is clearly more worn, which could account for this micro-micro variety.

I've had 12 Type 1's pass through my hands, and 18 Type 2's. That's the only basis I have to say T1's are scarcer.

Statistically significant? Probably, because most of them were bought before I knew about them. I looked through all the scans I had kept, so almost a blind trial.

Anyone else got any numbers we could include? Could be a mini population survey.

[Peter]

Oh FFS , please don't tell me there's more than one variety of 1959S too!

Don't blame me, blame Mr Groom!

I've just pored over my copy.

Two things :

1. How do we know one is more scarce than the other? Dave's book doesn't give that.

2. From the pictures on p137, Type 1 (left) is clearly more worn, which could account for this micro-micro variety.

I've had 12 Type 1's pass through my hands, and 18 Type 2's. That's the only basis I have to say T1's are scarcer.

Statistically significant? Probably, because most of them were bought before I knew about them. I looked through all the scans I had kept, so almost a blind trial.

Anyone else got any numbers we could include? Could be a mini population survey.

Declan

I'm sure we could talk into the night on coins and bore my wife senseless.She understands my books but when I talk varieties I get a blank look...you've already got a 1875 farthing why do you need the broach,small date,large date,H, broken F in Reg?What is the matter with GVF?

She dropped me off at the Midland fair recently and swore that the rest of the punters were checked jacketed worn out leather shoes with a whiff of dog blanket about them...are we ?

[joey]

A 20th centiry selection - there's plenty more!

1964 and 1965 scarcer type sixpences

F474 1956 ha'penny

F437 1940 ha'penny

1937 1+B silver 3d

several of the 1920-1923 big silver varieties (but that's probably because I haven't been looking hard enough for them.)

1915 close TT farthing

1 each of 1913 and 1908 penny varieties

I did manage to score my first unconfirmed Davies number though: D.751 1870 gothic florin. Hasn't arrived yet, but at least it shows that some of them do exist.

G'day Declan.Couple of shots of my 1915 farthings,one of the close TT and the other one.They are only aVF or so but I only paid AUD$4 each a couple of years ago.

[declanwmagee]

Oh FFS , please don't tell me there's more than one variety of 1959S too!

Don't blame me, blame Mr Groom!

I've just pored over my copy.

Two things :

1. How do we know one is more scarce than the other? Dave's book doesn't give that.

2. From the pictures on p137, Type 1 (left) is clearly more worn, which could account for this micro-micro variety.

I've had 12 Type 1's pass through my hands, and 18 Type 2's. That's the only basis I have to say T1's are scarcer.

Statistically significant? Probably, because most of them were bought before I knew about them. I looked through all the scans I had kept, so almost a blind trial.

Anyone else got any numbers we could include? Could be a mini population survey.

Declan

I'm sure we could talk into the night on coins and bore my wife senseless.She understands my books but when I talk varieties I get a blank look...you've already got a 1875 farthing why do you need the broach,small date,large date,H, broken F in Reg?What is the matter with GVF?

She dropped me off at the Midland fair recently and swore that the rest of the punters were checked jacketed worn out leather shoes with a whiff of dog blanket about them...are we ?

I know! If I am aware of a variety I have to have a darned good reason not to include it in the ever growing list of possible coins.

[declanwmagee]

G'day Declan.Couple of shots of my 1915 farthings,one of the close TT and the other one.They are only aVF or so but I only paid AUD$4 each a couple of years ago.

...and that's the real beauty of the variety hunt, Joey - to find stuff for pennies that the untrained eye would pass by. Anyone can read a date.

[scott]

that farthing variety has proved illusive for me

o nd by bargain bin i mean a bunch of misc coins at a set price in which these gems are hidden, we need a thread for those to see what treasures were unearthed from the junk

who can read a date? not many people as i got this rarity off ebay last year for a couple of quid (with another nromal worn 1879)

[declanwmagee]

that farthing variety has proved illusive for me

o nd by bargain bin i mean a bunch of misc coins at a set price in which these gems are hidden, we need a thread for those to see what treasures were unearthed from the junk

who can read a date? not many people as i got this rarity off ebay last year for a couple of quid (with another nromal worn 1879)

Ah, but the grade Scott! I lost money on a similar grade 1902 Low Tide halfpenny last week, and it took me years to find it. Went for 99p!

[scott]

the grade should not matter with this, estimated to be around 1000 in existance so.

i have the problem with my 1888 groat i got in a bulk buy.. someone put a hole in it

Edited October 12, 2011 by scott

[Peter]

that farthing variety has proved illusive for me

o nd by bargain bin i mean a bunch of misc coins at a set price in which these gems are hidden, we need a thread for those to see what treasures were unearthed from the junk

who can read a date? not many people as i got this rarity off ebay last year for a couple of quid (with another nromal worn 1879)

Ah, but the grade Scott! I lost money on a similar grade 1902 Low Tide halfpenny last week, and it took me years to find it. Went for 99p!

Och so did my Scottish shilling.

[declanwmagee]

Och so did my Scottish shilling.

I seem to have got stubbornly stuck at nEF with them (EF for Type 2). I buy any that look like they might nudge that up by a fraction of a grade. I often wonder what I'd pay for a genuine UNC if one ever came up.

[Peckris]

Och so did my Scottish shilling.

I seem to have got stubbornly stuck at nEF with them (EF for Type 2). I buy any that look like they might nudge that up by a fraction of a grade. I often wonder what I'd pay for a genuine UNC if one ever came up.

In 2009 Spink thrust the price up from £15 to £75. I was never sure if it was a misprint or not. But then again, they seem to do that for all modern coins where the year ends in the same as the catalogue year. In 2001 for example, all 1951 coins shot through the roof, crowns doubling from £10 to £20. I haven't seen the price since - can anyone confirm what the current 1959S Spink value is?

[argentumandcoins]

Och so did my Scottish shilling.

I seem to have got stubbornly stuck at nEF with them (EF for Type 2). I buy any that look like they might nudge that up by a fraction of a grade. I often wonder what I'd pay for a genuine UNC if one ever came up.

In 2009 Spink thrust the price up from £15 to £75. I was never sure if it was a misprint or not. But then again, they seem to do that for all modern coins where the year ends in the same as the catalogue year. In 2001 for example, all 1951 coins shot through the roof, crowns doubling from £10 to £20. I haven't seen the price since - can anyone confirm what the current 1959S Spink value is?

A jaw dropping £85 in UNC yet only £10 in EF. A multiple of 8.5 in grade from EF to UNC is bizarre?

[Peckris]

Och so did my Scottish shilling.

I seem to have got stubbornly stuck at nEF with them (EF for Type 2). I buy any that look like they might nudge that up by a fraction of a grade. I often wonder what I'd pay for a genuine UNC if one ever came up.

In 2009 Spink thrust the price up from £15 to £75. I was never sure if it was a misprint or not. But then again, they seem to do that for all modern coins where the year ends in the same as the catalogue year. In 2001 for example, all 1951 coins shot through the roof, crowns doubling from £10 to £20. I haven't seen the price since - can anyone confirm what the current 1959S Spink value is?

A jaw dropping £85 in UNC yet only £10 in EF. A multiple of 8.5 in grade from EF to UNC is bizarre?

Thanks for that. Mind you, those 1959S are remarkably easy to find in EF compared to UNC. It's also worth pointing out that the increase to £10 - £75 was from £2 - £15, so it got quite a hike in EF at that time.