Y impressed in coin manufacturing error ? one penny 1944

[Russ777]

Posted this on one of the other parts of forum also. I have a 1944 one penny KGVI that appears to have a shadow of a Y edge of coin dots but no other letter I can see.

I thought it might have been caused by another coin/die pressing into the coin but unsure if this could be during manufacturing or after. Could this easily have occurred if two coins pressing together, but equally could that have happened in manufacturing stage after being set if teo coins got pressed together somehow???

I am aware that coins can have letters stamped into them by hand for example someones initials but this is obviously the imprint of another coin on top.

I am thinking maybe a newer coin with a harder edge may have made this impression but I am unsure.The coin is slightly worn with a dent on one edge which could be in manufacturing...

Please see the scan and let me know. I have seen 100s of pennies and never this before I am sure dealers/Specialists will know!

Still an interesting topic though

Thanks Russ777

[£400 for a Penny ?]

I think you have probably called that right. You can clearly see the Y and the rim of the coin that did the damage.

Perhaps it failed to come cleanly off the die after striking and was still on the die when the next strike was made ?

[Russ777]

I think you have probably called that right. You can clearly see the Y and the rim of the coin that did the damage.

Perhaps it failed to come cleanly off the die after striking and was still on the die when the next strike was made ?

So in manufactuing also edge of OBV shows traces of damage :

any ideas what a specialist may pay???

Thanks Russ777

[Russ777]

So this could be a manufacturing error quite a nice find then??? Does OBV help to explain any more guys???

This shadow of Y could so easily have been missed so as a novice I am quite pleased I spotted it!

Thanks Russ777

[azda]

Am thinking something has moved during striking or that, IE brockage. As for resale value, i've really no idea, maybe an extra tenner on book price, maybe more, Varieties are quite popular right now, but i'll keep my eye out for the other as there has to be at least 2 of these if another has been struck over this one

[Russ777]

Am thinking something has moved during striking or that, IE brockage. As for resale value, i've really no idea, maybe an extra tenner on book price, maybe more, Varieties are quite popular right now, but i'll keep my eye out for the other as there has to be at least 2 of these if another has been struck over this one

Interesting this came in a big box of coins I bought (mostly foreign)

I do notice that there is a slight dip where the VI is on OBV and the I appears like a number 1 at top but I think that is probably as it is flattened and the top of serif may be stretched out. I dont know if a 1 could have been used intead of an I ? Here's a pic

So what makes you think there are more??? Have these manufacturing flaws been recorded on the 1944 before? I was thinking of contacting Spink or would they just laugh in my face??

Regards Russ777

[Russ777]

Generally all the letters seem more flattened out and wider as do the dots

I am very pleased to have noticed this something that could so have easily been missed by many people....

More than a tenner would defintely be very nice...

I am looking to sell

Russ777

[Russ777]

I can just see the Edge of the N of PENNY next to the Y at right so does all that tally that the writing would be reverse???

[azda]

Am thinking something has moved during striking or that, IE brockage. As for resale value, i've really no idea, maybe an extra tenner on book price, maybe more, Varieties are quite popular right now, but i'll keep my eye out for the other as there has to be at least 2 of these if another has been struck over this one

Interesting this came in a big box of coins I bought (mostly foreign)

I do notice that there is a slight dip where the VI is on OBV and the I appears like a number 1 at top but I think that is probably as it is flattened and the top of serif may be stretched out. I dont know if a 1 could have been used intead of an I ? Here's a pic

So what makes you think there are more??? Have these manufacturing flaws been recorded on the 1944 before? I was thinking of contacting Spink or would they just laugh in my face??

Regards Russ777

Well if its a brockage, another coin would have had to hit it, meaning there would be possibly another out there

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Whack it on Fleabay, starting price 99p and watch what happens.

It either will or it won't.

[azda]

Whack it on Fleabay, starting price 99p and watch what happens.

It either will or it won't.

Personally i think it might do well right now, a lot of people are going silly over rarities

[VickySilver]

IMHO, interesting but not of any sensational value. Good to keep sharp eyes though! To give you an idea, and sorry I have yet to master pictures, I have an 1953 Coronation Crown with the entire edge lettering done twice and about 90 degrees out of sync. Price on ebay? L95.

[Peckris]

Am thinking something has moved during striking or that, IE brockage. As for resale value, i've really no idea, maybe an extra tenner on book price, maybe more, Varieties are quite popular right now, but i'll keep my eye out for the other as there has to be at least 2 of these if another has been struck over this one

Interesting this came in a big box of coins I bought (mostly foreign)

I do notice that there is a slight dip where the VI is on OBV and the I appears like a number 1 at top but I think that is probably as it is flattened and the top of serif may be stretched out. I dont know if a 1 could have been used intead of an I ? Here's a pic

So what makes you think there are more??? Have these manufacturing flaws been recorded on the 1944 before? I was thinking of contacting Spink or would they just laugh in my face??

Regards Russ777

That's definitely a "1" - see how its base extends further into the field than the letters? Compare its size with the 1 in the date - they should tally.

[Russ777]

Am thinking something has moved during striking or that, IE brockage. As for resale value, i've really no idea, maybe an extra tenner on book price, maybe more, Varieties are quite popular right now, but i'll keep my eye out for the other as there has to be at least 2 of these if another has been struck over this one

Interesting this came in a big box of coins I bought (mostly foreign)

I do notice that there is a slight dip where the VI is on OBV and the I appears like a number 1 at top but I think that is probably as it is flattened and the top of serif may be stretched out. I dont know if a 1 could have been used intead of an I ? Here's a pic

So what makes you think there are more??? Have these manufacturing flaws been recorded on the 1944 before? I was thinking of contacting Spink or would they just laugh in my face??

Regards Russ777

That's definitely a "1" - see how its base extends further into the field than the letters? Compare its size with the 1 in the date - they should tally.

So would the '1' be an extra die error or would it be part of the brocage error???

How much more interesting does this amke this???

Thanks Russ7777

[Russ777]

the 'I' in Georgius does appear like a '1' and extends a little further but I had a simialr thing on a victorian coin I posted on this forum and many people thought it was just a bit of metal causing the top of I to look like numeral '1'

Also it is where the bump is but it does appear a bit longer than the G next to it.

I would want a pretty penny for the coin what do you think my chances are and the best way to describe it? I would be very disappointed if it fetched only 99p!

Russ777

[Russ777]

You say compare the IV '1' with the 1 in date but that one is much smaller so a little confused here??

Russ777

[azda]

the 'I' in Georgius does appear like a '1' and extends a little further but I had a simialr thing on a victorian coin I posted on this forum and many people thought it was just a bit of metal causing the top of I to look like numeral '1'

Also it is where the bump is but it does appear a bit longer than the G next to it.

I would want a pretty penny for the coin what do you think my chances are and the best way to describe it? I would be very disappointed if it fetched only 99p!

Russ777

If i were you and you put it on Ebay, describe it as a brockage, because thats exactly what it is. Try and get some really good close up pix of the errors, but don't start it a 1k as no one will go for such a late date at that price. You will be better to start at 99p and see where it goes, these things will find their value. I'd be interested in seeing how it goes, so post us a link here for the ebay article if you decide to put it on ebay.

[Hussulo]

Although its incuse I woudn't call it a brockage. I believe its a dropped letter error. If you google this type of error you will probably find more on them but essentialy after grease and grime builds up in a letter and eventually falls out and lands on a planchet during striking it will leave an incuse letter or detail in the design. In this case the Y.

If this is the case it is unique as the chances of the Y filling up again and dropping on the same place on another planchet are very slim. However, because it isn't considered to be a major error and there isn't a huge interest in these types I don't think it will make huge money but I agree with ebay being your best bet.

[Russ777]

Hussulo more people are saying it is a brockage error if you say its building up of grime and the letter drops then why also the dots from edge of coin, coin edge and only a bit of the letter N of Penny next to it???

It is not just the Y incuse...

Regards Russ777

[Peckris]

the 'I' in Georgius does appear like a '1' and extends a little further but I had a simialr thing on a victorian coin I posted on this forum and many people thought it was just a bit of metal causing the top of I to look like numeral '1'

Also it is where the bump is but it does appear a bit longer than the G next to it.

I would want a pretty penny for the coin what do you think my chances are and the best way to describe it? I would be very disappointed if it fetched only 99p!

Russ777

The weird thing is that the '1' is exactly where the 'I' should be. Either that's a major coincidence, or someone has been tampering with the coin deliberately.

[Russ777]

Yes odd that the 1 shape is almost alligned to the imprint where the Y imprint appears on reverse could someone have been trying to correct an error die with the 1 in Georgius thus the coin was supposed to be wasted??? Or maybe in removing the coin that was stuck down???

Russ777

[Russ777]

I cant see why anyone would want to add the 1 in georgius unless a letter had worn out or somehow the I droped down and the 1 was replaced in die?

[Peckris]

I cant see why anyone would want to add the 1 in georgius unless a letter had worn out or somehow the I droped down and the 1 was replaced in die?

No I meant maybe someone messed with the coin long after it left the Mint. People do crazy things to coins!

[Russ777]

Should anyone wish to follow the Ebay auction

The title is: GB coin error one penny 1944 brockage error ?? item number 270650225845

Link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270650225845&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Maybe someone here would be interested in Bidding start £9.99 no interest as yet!

Russ777

[Hussulo]

Yes odd that the 1 shape is almost alligned to the imprint where the Y imprint appears on reverse could someone have been trying to correct an error die with the 1 in Georgius thus the coin was supposed to be wasted??? Or maybe in removing the coin that was stuck down???

I can't explain what looks like a 1. The area is a bit flattened, could be post mint damage. I still stick by my opinion that its not a brockage or even a partial brockage.

Here are what full brockage coins look like:

http://www.coinsgb.com/Error_Coins/Brockage.html

and pictures of partial brockage coins:

http://images.google.com/images?q=partial%20brockage%20coin&biw=1024&bih=590

Partial brockage have an indent where the incuse design is.

Often many sellers mistakenly list any type of error on ebay as a brockage.

I've collected errors in the past so do speak from some experience.

Actually the more I look at it the more I believe its post mint damage and not an error.

The fact that it is week on the opposite side of the incue Y and the circular line above the incuse Y makes it look like someone perhaps placed a penny on top and hit it with a hammer, leaving a partially incuse Y, edge and flattening on the opposite side.

If an error like a partial brockage happens during minting, the opposite side remains perfect (no weakness) as the planchet is still sitting in the dies when struck.