1861 8/6 Penny On Ebay

[azda]

If anyone is interested there's an 1861 8 0ver 6 Penny on Ebay Freemans R18

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150483054959&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D150483054959%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Edited August 25, 2010 by azda

[scott]

now that is interesting, because

remember this "slanted 8?" it looks exactly the same bar the chunky bottom of 8, it is these moments i wished i had a very good zoom feature but there is a small something on the photo in the upper part of the 8 (cant see it by eye but there is definatly something running parralel with the 6 and the top part of the 8 seems to sink) of course eye and photo show 2 differant thinks (like the first 1 is visible clearly to the eye) but then again, without the zoomed date you cant see the overstrike on there either.

not that i would pay £400 odd pounds for what is a repunch... i'll just gaze around looking for this particular datespread and slanted 8

[azda]

now that is interesting, because

remember this "slanted 8?" it looks exactly the same bar the chunky bottom of 8, it is these moments i wished i had a very good zoom feature but there is a small something on the photo in the upper part of the 8 (cant see it by eye but there is definatly something running parralel with the 6 and the top part of the 8 seems to sink) of course eye and photo show 2 differant thinks (like the first 1 is visible clearly to the eye) but then again, without the zoomed date you cant see the overstrike on there either.

not that i would pay £400 odd pounds for what is a repunch... i'll just gaze around looking for this particular datespread and slanted 8

Invest in a USB microscope, that will definately help

[1949threepence]

If anyone is interested there's an 1861 8 0ver 6 Penny on Ebay Freemans R18

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150483054959&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D150483054959%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

6 to 15 in existence is what R18 gives us. But what I can't quite get my head round, and hopefully someone will put me right, is why a 6 would have been stamped on the second figure of the year anyway ? I can understand the last figure, as it would be a re-stamp of unused coins from the previous year. But the second number in, and not many in existence. Has to be an error, and why would they take the trouble to over strike them ? Why not just waste them ?

[argentumandcoins]

If anyone is interested there's an 1861 8 0ver 6 Penny on Ebay Freemans R18

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150483054959&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D150483054959%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

6 to 15 in existence is what R18 gives us. But what I can't quite get my head round, and hopefully someone will put me right, is why a 6 would have been stamped on the second figure of the year anyway ? I can understand the last figure, as it would be a re-stamp of unused coins from the previous year. But the second number in, and not many in existence. Has to be an error, and why would they take the trouble to over strike them ? Why not just waste them ?

It is the die that has been re-punched when a number is an overdate, usually to repair, replace or strengthen an existing number, but occasionally it happens to a virgin die. In this instance it was an error. The person punching the date must have forgotten it was a mirror image and put the 6 where the 8 should have gone. The error was noticed and overstruck with the correct digit, giving the 8 over 6.

[scott]

yea, but it is still a repunch and 8-15 in existance? possible, as the 6 would wear down wouldn't it? i would say there would be far more thne 8-15 made but for wear etc thats all we have

[1949threepence]

If anyone is interested there's an 1861 8 0ver 6 Penny on Ebay Freemans R18

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150483054959&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D150483054959%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

6 to 15 in existence is what R18 gives us. But what I can't quite get my head round, and hopefully someone will put me right, is why a 6 would have been stamped on the second figure of the year anyway ? I can understand the last figure, as it would be a re-stamp of unused coins from the previous year. But the second number in, and not many in existence. Has to be an error, and why would they take the trouble to over strike them ? Why not just waste them ?

It is the die that has been re-punched when a number is an overdate, usually to repair, replace or strengthen an existing number, but occasionally it happens to a virgin die. In this instance it was an error. The person punching the date must have forgotten it was a mirror image and put the 6 where the 8 should have gone. The error was noticed and overstruck with the correct digit, giving the 8 over 6.

OK, thanks for that. Makes the picture clearer.

yea, but it is still a repunch and 8-15 in existance? possible, as the 6 would wear down wouldn't it? i would say there would be far more thne 8-15 made but for wear etc thats all we have

Undoubtedly, as the mintages for various Freeman "R" numbers, indicate that there were far more originally produced than now remain in existence in all cases. I suppose, as you say Scott, that most will long since have been melted down, having gone unrecognised by a disinterested audience at the time, and worn down to a flat disc.

[azda]

Well it sold for £531.00

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Well it sold for £531.00

Which I find hard to understand.

I hope and pray that all this won't impact on 'ordinary' Buns, but I fear it might....

[declanwmagee]

Well it sold for £531.00

Which I find hard to understand.

I hope and pray that all this won't impact on 'ordinary' Buns, but I fear it might....

I think it already has. Ever feel like you've missed the boat?

[scott]

buns have bene like this for a while, only one i could get off the bay at a reasonable price was an 1887 in F... i''m sticking to the tins of "scrap" pennys you never know.

[£400 for a Penny ?]

I think it already has. Ever feel like you've missed the boat?

Yes.

I suppose the key is working out what the fashions will be in 30 years time from now and acting accordingly (catching the next boat)

Easy to forsee a world in which cash has been long since redundant in 30 years time, probably conduct business using a retina scan or something.

Of concern also, is that the more expensive an item becomes, the more it's worth forging

[DaveG38]

I think it already has. Ever feel like you've missed the boat?

Yes.

I suppose the key is working out what the fashions will be in 30 years time from now and acting accordingly (catching the next boat)

Easy to forsee a world in which cash has been long since redundant in 30 years time, probably conduct business using a retina scan or something.

Of concern also, is that the more expensive an item becomes, the more it's worth forging

Lets hope we don't get into collecting eyeballs then!! Blue iris, small variety, second line from the left points to a pigment flake.

[1949threepence]

buns have bene like this for a while, only one i could get off the bay at a reasonable price was an 1887 in F... i''m sticking to the tins of "scrap" pennys you never know.

Most of the buns on e bay are overpriced "buy it nows". You're best off competing in the auctions, for which the eventual selling price will, almost invariably, be a lot less. Usually less than 50%.

That said, £531 for a well worn overstrike, albeit a vanishingly rare one, still strikes me as overkill.

Opinions differ widely.

Edited August 27, 2010 by 1949threepence

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Lets hope we don't get into collecting eyeballs then!! Blue iris, small variety, second line from the left points to a pigment flake.

Got a buy it now price on that Dave ?

I only want one - not into collecting sets......

[davidrj]

Lets hope we don't get into collecting eyeballs then!! Blue iris, small variety, second line from the left points to a pigment flake.

Got a buy it now price on that Dave ?

I only want one - not into collecting sets......

Biut you would want both a left and a right, surely

[Peckris]

Lets hope we don't get into collecting eyeballs then!! Blue iris, small variety, second line from the left points to a pigment flake.

Got a buy it now price on that Dave ?

I only want one - not into collecting sets......

Biut you would want both a left and a right, surely

But make sure you see "in hand" - I've heard of glass fakes doing the rounds...

[DaveG38]

Lets hope we don't get into collecting eyeballs then!! Blue iris, small variety, second line from the left points to a pigment flake.

Got a buy it now price on that Dave ?

I only want one - not into collecting sets......

Biut you would want both a left and a right, surely

Worth more as a pair then separately though. Obviously, fixed in their original sockets adds to the value as does the certificate of authenticity i.e. birth certificate. Cataracts reduces the value - not sure how we grade them!

[£400 for a Penny ?]

[Worth more as a pair then separately though. Obviously, fixed in their original sockets adds to the value as does the certificate of authenticity i.e. birth certificate.

If I catch your drift correctly, you appear to be advocating a return to good old fashioned headhunting ?

[DaveG38]

[Worth more as a pair then separately though. Obviously, fixed in their original sockets adds to the value as does the certificate of authenticity i.e. birth certificate.

If I catch your drift correctly, you appear to be advocating a return to good old fashioned headhunting ?

Not really, just eyeball collection after the owner has no further use for them! Obviously, mounted adds to the value.

[Peckris]

[Worth more as a pair then separately though. Obviously, fixed in their original sockets adds to the value as does the certificate of authenticity i.e. birth certificate.

If I catch your drift correctly, you appear to be advocating a return to good old fashioned headhunting ?

Not really, just eyeball collection after the owner has no further use for them! Obviously, mounted adds to the value.

Avoid ones in any kind of glass storage - obviously those are much lower quality.