1933 Penny tin foil impression

[TomGoodheart]

I would never bid in a 'private listing' bidding on ebay. I think it's just asking to be shilled and I have no idea why ebay ever went down that route. With the 'old' system you could see who you were bidding against and it was easy to identify sellers that bidded up their own items with fake accounts. Now, it's impossible.

Oops. I digress. Nice bit of tinfoil there. I've one exactly like it, only instead of being ruined by being wrapped around a coin, it's perfectly flat. Shall we start the bidding at £200?

[azda]

I see the cynics amoungst us, so look at the OBV of the foil and the coin to the left of the nose, you can see the imprint of 2 hairs from the coin itself. I'm not on commission here, but they both look the same to me, and i'm not a huge fan of the seller either.

[TomGoodheart]

I see the cynics amoungst us, so look at the OBV of the foil and the coin to the left of the nose, you can see the imprint of 2 hairs from the coin itself. I'm not on commission here, but they both look the same to me, and i'm not a huge fan of the seller either.

So what is that then Az? A repro? Where's the pic from - did you say the seller of the foils sold it on ebay earlier - in which case it's conclusive. Even if not, Britannia's face and hand don't look right. It surely isn't an original 1933 coin? (Or am I losing my touch?)

[azda]

I see the cynics amoungst us, so look at the OBV of the foil and the coin to the left of the nose, you can see the imprint of 2 hairs from the coin itself. I'm not on commission here, but they both look the same to me, and i'm not a huge fan of the seller either.

So what is that then Az? A repro? Where's the pic from - did you say the seller of the foils sold it on ebay earlier - in which case it's conclusive. Even if not, Britannia's face and hand don't look right. It surely isn't an original 1933 coin? (Or am I losing my touch?)

No Tom, i never mentioned ANYWHERE that the seller of the foil sold a 1933 penny on ebay, i doubt anyone would be that stupid. What i said was that this was the impression from that coin from 1933. He tells me that an aquaintance of his did these impressions for a few friends, something that the bronze and copper collector at the beginning of the thread has already stated. Maybe look at some of the images thats been uploaded, as someone pointed out, there is actually 2 different dies, so perhaps it is just ure eyes.

Actually it must be your eyes Tom if thats how you read the posts lol

Edited August 13, 2010 by azda

[TomGoodheart]

LOL Not enough coffee more like!

Seriously, even if it were a genuine impression of a genuine 1933 penny, a '33 is just a pattern to me. They were never meant for circulation so it's more of an oddity. They (to me) have the same status as the 1937 Kitchener threepence. An curious rarity because so few exist, but for me a coin needs to have been meant for circulation to make it interesting.

[£400 for a Penny ?]

the seller of the foils

I like that, it has a definite ring to it...

[azda]

LOL Not enough coffee more like!

Seriously, even if it were a genuine impression of a genuine 1933 penny, a '33 is just a pattern to me. They were never meant for circulation so it's more of an oddity. They (to me) have the same status as the 1937 Kitchener threepence. An curious rarity because so few exist, but for me a coin needs to have been meant for circulation to make it interesting.

An interesting coin is an interesting coin Tom, what about a 1926 Mod Effigy, or many many others that have been in circulation, 1909 with dot, 1918, 1919 KH, all rare, and so many others to speak off, you can't have your cake and eat it. They are all interesting to each individual

[TomGoodheart]

Yes, each to their own I guess. I can appreciate the KNs and the MEs. But the different prong alignments of the trident or spacing of the date are of less interest to me. And the occasional dot due to die failure or damage, they just leave me cold I'm afraid.

Then if we all liked the same things it'd be rather boring wouldn't it?

Edited August 13, 2010 by TomGoodheart

[azda]

Yes, each to their own I guess. I can appreciate the KNs and the MEs. But the different prong alignments of the trident or spacing of the date are of less interest to me. And the occasional dot due to die failure or damage, they just leave me cold I'm afraid.

Then if we all liked the same things it'd be rather boring wouldn't it?

Definately, and a tin foiled 1933 also does'nt interest me :-)

[scott]

i'm only interested if the 1933 is inside the foil

[Peckris]

i'm only interested if the 1933 is inside the foil

Now THAT would make an interesting variation on the Xmas tree chocolate coins ...

[Mat]

Total disaster.

I think he must have used significantly thinner foil than the stuff in the kitchen drawer.

Wouldn't even take a vague imprint.

I am assuming that foil is the similar kind as foil caps that seal milk canisters...it must be backed with some kind of material to create that lasting impression with such sharp detail. I would not recommend anyone trying this with rare coins directly on foil... On the Mohs scale of mineral hardness aluminium is 2.5-3 and copper is 3.0 so there is every chance of scratches being sustained!

However here is my attempt, and I think it summarises my thoughts on the idea too!

As your all friends I am happy to do a discount...

Foil 1944 impression halfpenny RARE £125.00

Blu-tac 1944 brockage halfpenny RARE £62.50

Genuine Rare halfpenny RARE £0.05

Or I am happy to do a deal on all three for £150.00

Free postage, and I don’t charge for using paypal either :-)

[Red Riley]

Total disaster.

I think he must have used significantly thinner foil than the stuff in the kitchen drawer.

Wouldn't even take a vague imprint.

I am assuming that foil is the similar kind as foil caps that seal milk canisters...it must be backed with some kind of material to create that lasting impression with such sharp detail. I would not recommend anyone trying this with rare coins directly on foil... On the Mohs scale of mineral hardness aluminium is 2.5-3 and copper is 3.0 so there is every chance of scratches being sustained!

However here is my attempt, and I think it summarises my thoughts on the idea too!

As your all friends I am happy to do a discount...

Foil 1944 impression halfpenny RARE £125.00

Blu-tac 1944 brockage halfpenny RARE £62.50

Genuine Rare halfpenny RARE £0.05

Or I am happy to do a deal on all three for £150.00

Free postage, and I don’t charge for using paypal either :-)

Hmmm... you haven't mentioned plasticine. I think I see a gap in the market.

[azda]

Total disaster.

I think he must have used significantly thinner foil than the stuff in the kitchen drawer.

Wouldn't even take a vague imprint.

I am assuming that foil is the similar kind as foil caps that seal milk canisters...it must be backed with some kind of material to create that lasting impression with such sharp detail. I would not recommend anyone trying this with rare coins directly on foil... On the Mohs scale of mineral hardness aluminium is 2.5-3 and copper is 3.0 so there is every chance of scratches being sustained!

However here is my attempt, and I think it summarises my thoughts on the idea too!

As your all friends I am happy to do a discount...

Foil 1944 impression halfpenny RARE £125.00

Blu-tac 1944 brockage halfpenny RARE £62.50

Genuine Rare halfpenny RARE £0.05

Or I am happy to do a deal on all three for £150.00

Free postage, and I don’t charge for using paypal either :-)

Hmmm... you haven't mentioned plasticine. I think I see a gap in the market.

Nor paper mache. i see another gap and could sell you the patent for 1.25 million, paypal of course, only to those with a registered address though

[scott]

what about a rubbing.

or the coin quickly sketched onto some card?

[Mat]

Tell you what, ill do you both a special deal. I shall make just one of paper Mache and one of plasticine of the extremely rare 1965 Churchill crown, (only 23,000,000 known specimens). And I will even give you the coin for free if you buy the impression. If you like you can pay the extra and I will give the coin a good scrub clean for you with a brillo pad and Wrights abrasive brass polish... What a deal!

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Be interested in the foil impression - it's a significant upgrade from mine......

Edited August 16, 2010 by £400 for a Penny ?

[Bernie]

The foil impressions were produced for numismatic purposes and not intended to be sold. The impressions are of the genuine coins. The 1933 impressions are from a genuine Freeman 209 currency coin. The hairs you mention are impressions of the red hair material which comes from coin trays. A number of these impressions of a 1933 penny were produced and given out, so these hair impressions may appear in different places or not at all. The impressions are produced by a folded piece of the cheapest, thin, kitchen foil, cut to 80x40mm and folded in half. (shiniest side inwards)It is then placed in a press with rubber pads 35mm dia top and bottom, the coin placed between the folded foil, and pressured from the press. I wouldn't advise anyone to try this on an expensive or rare coin unless it has been thoroughly tested on low value coins. Never try this on coins with cracked flans.

[£400 for a Penny ?]

The foil impressions were produced for numismatic purposes and not intended to be sold. The impressions are of the genuine coins. The 1933 impressions are from a genuine Freeman 209 currency coin. The hairs you mention are impressions of the red hair material which comes from coin trays. A number of these impressions of a 1933 penny were produced and given out, so these hair impressions may appear in different places or not at all. The impressions are produced by a folded piece of the cheapest, thin, kitchen foil, cut to 80x40mm and folded in half. (shiniest side inwards)It is then placed in a press with rubber pads 35mm dia top and bottom, the coin placed between the folded foil, and pressured from the press. I wouldn't advise anyone to try this on an expensive or rare coin unless it has been thoroughly tested on low value coins. Never try this on coins with cracked flans.

He must have had kittens doing that with a 1933 penny...