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Hello Hello ;) , welcome to the forum.

Have a rummage around the site of the British Numismatic Trade Association, especially the dealer locator, see if there is anyone nearby.

http://www.bnta.net/members.php

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Or try a google search/yell.com/yellow pages.

BNTA membership does not cover all dealers nor does it guarantee you are trading with the best!

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BNTA membership does not cover all dealers nor does it guarantee you are trading with the best!

Looking at a couple of names on their list I can safely agree with you on that one. :rolleyes:

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BNTA membership does not cover all dealers nor does it guarantee you are trading with the best!

Looking at a couple of names on their list I can safely agree with you on that one. :rolleyes:

It's a bit of a shame when the only thing you need to enter is a VAT number and 2 people to endorse you!!!!

A grading/identification test might have been helpful perhaps even coupled with a dip sample of your latest customers???

Perhaps I'm using too much commonsense?

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It's a bit of a shame when the only thing you need to enter is a VAT number and 2 people to endorse you!!!!

A grading/identification test might have been helpful perhaps even coupled with a dip sample of your latest customers???

Perhaps I'm using too much commonsense?

I worked for half my life in the life assuaence field and whilst there were genuine qualifications set by the Chartered Insurance Institute, there was a parallel organistion called the Life Insurance Association. You didn't need any qualifications to get in, and all it was was an organisation where salesmen would trade selling ideas and exchange dodgy handshakes. Of course, all this hit the buffers a few years ago with increasing regulation of the field. Are you telling me that the BNTA is this type of organisation?

What we really need is a genuine organisation promoting qualifications in numismatics, something like say, the Chartered Institute of Numismatics. Any volunteers to mark the papers?

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[i worked for half my life in the life assuaence field and whilst there were genuine qualifications set by the Chartered Insurance Institute, there was a parallel organistion called the Life Insurance Association. You didn't need any qualifications to get in, and all it was was an organisation where salesmen would trade selling ideas and exchange dodgy handshakes. Of course, all this hit the buffers a few years ago with increasing regulation of the field. Are you telling me that the BNTA is this type of organisation?

What we really need is a genuine organisation promoting qualifications in numismatics, something like say, the Chartered Institute of Numismatics. Any volunteers to mark the papers?

We are leading parallel lives I think Red. Being CII qualified and having witnessed the transition from no regulation to excessive regulation over 20 years, I can report that a shark is a shark and no amount of qualifications will stop him being one.

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It's a bit of a shame when the only thing you need to enter is a VAT number and 2 people to endorse you!!!!

A grading/identification test might have been helpful perhaps even coupled with a dip sample of your latest customers???

Perhaps I'm using too much commonsense?

I worked for half my life in the life assuaence field and whilst there were genuine qualifications set by the Chartered Insurance Institute, there was a parallel organistion called the Life Insurance Association. You didn't need any qualifications to get in, and all it was was an organisation where salesmen would trade selling ideas and exchange dodgy handshakes. Of course, all this hit the buffers a few years ago with increasing regulation of the field. Are you telling me that the BNTA is this type of organisation?

What we really need is a genuine organisation promoting qualifications in numismatics, something like say, the Chartered Institute of Numismatics. Any volunteers to mark the papers?

I am not a member and have no axe to grind (as such) but what you are saying is pretty much correct.

I have had forgeries and overgraded coins from BNTA members and you only need check online listings to see either blatant overgrading/pricing or total amateurism, you be the judge.

Great play is made on the virtues of the BNTA in all ads you see, but if they aren't policing their own members what is the point?

Any newcomer (like Hello 17) being steered towards BNTA members, would, quite rightly, ASSUME that they were dealing with the most honest and professional dealers in the country. That is totally inaccurate. A BNTA member is no more qualified than you or I to dispense their wares, no more qualified in grading or identification and no more qualified in spotting forgeries.

I am not sayimg that all, or even the majority, of members are not worthy of the accolade, but if the only qualification you need is a VAT number and 2 pals what is the point?

Even worse is the absolute elitism of the IAPN. You have more chance of spotting the ball than getting in there! The real gripe I have with this lot is that they have comprehensive information on identification of FORGERIES that they only share among their members. This means that dealers who aren't members have to rely on their own ability to spot the fakes. What do you do with a coin that gives 5% cause for suspicion?

I appreciate the need to restrict information to prevent the criminal element from adapting, but some information sharing with legitimate registered dealers would be nice!

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But as you say John, a VAT number and 2 pals, and that person could be a forger, or even his pals. Sounds like it needs policing a lot better obviously

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Any newcomer (like Hello 17) being steered towards BNTA members, would, quite rightly, ASSUME that they were dealing with the most honest and professional dealers in the country. That is totally inaccurate.

Strong words.

And besides, I was trying to help the fellow - I notice everyone who's posted so far has totally ignored him, not even acknowledged his presence.

Where are we without new entrants to the hobby ?

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Any newcomer (like Hello 17) being steered towards BNTA members, would, quite rightly, ASSUME that they were dealing with the most honest and professional dealers in the country. That is totally inaccurate.

Strong words.

And besides, I was trying to help the fellow - I notice everyone who's posted so far has totally ignored him, not even acknowledged his presence.

Where are we without new entrants to the hobby ?

There were in fact 2 answers to his post 400 lol.

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Any newcomer (like Hello 17) being steered towards BNTA members, would, quite rightly, ASSUME that they were dealing with the most honest and professional dealers in the country. That is totally inaccurate.

Strong words.

And besides, I was trying to help the fellow - I notice everyone who's posted so far has totally ignored him, not even acknowledged his presence.

Where are we without new entrants to the hobby ?

There were in fact 2 answers to his post 400 lol.

I can't see anyone welcoming him and trying to help?

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Hello Im New to the coin collecting and i live in bedford but havn't found anywhere yet?

Hiya mate ~ welcome to the forum. You'll find a list of dealers here

I've found one in Bedford:-

Eagle Coins

50 De Parys Avenue, Bedford, Bedfordshire, MK40 2TP

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Hello Im New to the coin collecting and i live in bedford but havn't found anywhere yet?

Hiya mate ~ welcome to the forum. You'll find a list of dealers here

I've found one in Bedford:-

Eagle Coins

50 De Parys Avenue, Bedford, Bedfordshire, MK40 2TP

That was very helpful 1949. I'm looking for a pizza shop in Munich please ;)

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Any newcomer (like Hello 17) being steered towards BNTA members, would, quite rightly, ASSUME that they were dealing with the most honest and professional dealers in the country. That is totally inaccurate.

Strong words.

And besides, I was trying to help the fellow - I notice everyone who's posted so far has totally ignored him, not even acknowledged his presence.

Where are we without new entrants to the hobby ?

There were in fact 2 answers to his post 400 lol.

I can't see anyone welcoming him and trying to help?

My first post was trying to help.

I didnt mean to offend you by suggesting your information was wrong, I just wanted to suggest to the chap that there may be other dealers in his area who are not BNTA members.

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Hello Im New to the coin collecting and i live in bedford but havn't found anywhere yet?

Hiya mate ~ welcome to the forum. You'll find a list of dealers here

I've found one in Bedford:-

Eagle Coins

50 De Parys Avenue, Bedford, Bedfordshire, MK40 2TP

That was very helpful 1949. I'm looking for a pizza shop in Munich please ;)

That might be a bit beyond me, Dave. I don't even know where most of them are in this town ~ although I could have told you where all of them were in my home town of Chelmsford.

If you're buying, mine's a Hawaaian. Cheers :P

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Hello Im New to the coin collecting and i live in bedford but havn't found anywhere yet?

Hiya mate ~ welcome to the forum. You'll find a list of dealers here

I've found one in Bedford:-

Eagle Coins

50 De Parys Avenue, Bedford, Bedfordshire, MK40 2TP

That was very helpful 1949. I'm looking for a pizza shop in Munich please ;)

I found loads on google.

Heres one...

Rifugio Ristorante Pizzeria*

Waldfriedhofstraße 88 - 81377 Munchen

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I didnt mean to offend you by suggesting your information was wrong, I just wanted to suggest to the chap that there may be other dealers in his area who are not BNTA members.

John, no offence taken, but we all have to, HAVE TO, encourage fresh interest rather than talk jargon on their first post, no ?

I have the cape, I make the 'whoosh' noise, but still I am no nearer the stars.....

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I didnt mean to offend you by suggesting your information was wrong, I just wanted to suggest to the chap that there may be other dealers in his area who are not BNTA members.

John, no offence taken, but we all have to, HAVE TO, encourage fresh interest rather than talk jargon on their first post, no ?

I have the cape, I make the 'whoosh' noise, but still I am no nearer the stars.....

Indeed we do.

It may be an idea for some of the members who are not dealers (therefore totally unbiased) to set up some form of mentoring system for new collectors whereby discussions and advice could be given over the phone?

The forum is a good way to air opinion and advice, but the written word is often neither expansive enough nor subtle enough (open to misinterpretation).

I appreciate it may not be possible due to work/family commitments but it would be a big help to new members.

I'll leave you chaps and chapesses to chew it over :)

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Hello Im New to the coin collecting and i live in bedford but havn't found anywhere yet?

Hiya mate ~ welcome to the forum. You'll find a list of dealers here

I've found one in Bedford:-

Eagle Coins

50 De Parys Avenue, Bedford, Bedfordshire, MK40 2TP

I found on near as well but that is nice

thanks

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Hello Im New to the coin collecting and i live in bedford but havn't found anywhere yet?

Hiya mate ~ welcome to the forum. You'll find a list of dealers here

I've found one in Bedford:-

Eagle Coins

50 De Parys Avenue, Bedford, Bedfordshire, MK40 2TP

Where at 50 de parys avenue ... i went and there was no sign so we didn't go

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