Useful links (members posts)

[Rob]

I thought this one might be quite useful as it gives a definition of the MS grades, eg: MS63, MS70 etc

Only up to a point. It might try to explain the Sheldon system in terms of US coins, but if you click on the link to the equivalent grades in other countries it gives AU50 as extremely fine or unc whilst EF40 is extremely fine. This is ebay grading standards. You might find someone on ebay willing to accept the comparison, but anyone with any grading ability who has held an EF40 in the hand wouldn't agree. You have usually got to go to a 64 minimum to get an UNC and even then it isn't guaranteed.

I thought it would be useful for the occasional slabbed coin from the US, with an MS grading on it.

At any rate I wasn't familiar with the different MS definitions.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at to be honest

EF40 by UK standards doesn't come close to EF. Most people would give your typical EF40 a decent VF and not extremely fine, subject to the usual caveat that the numbers on the slab are not always consistent with what you see in the hand. AU50 is typically gVF or maybe a weak EF(UK) - no way will it be close to an UNC. It's the concordance that is the problem.

[Hussulo]

I thought this one might be quite useful as it gives a definition of the MS grades, eg: MS63, MS70 etc

Only up to a point. It might try to explain the Sheldon system in terms of US coins, but if you click on the link to the equivalent grades in other countries it gives AU50 as extremely fine or unc whilst EF40 is extremely fine. This is ebay grading standards. You might find someone on ebay willing to accept the comparison, but anyone with any grading ability who has held an EF40 in the hand wouldn't agree. You have usually got to go to a 64 minimum to get an UNC and even then it isn't guaranteed.

I thought it would be useful for the occasional slabbed coin from the US, with an MS grading on it.

At any rate I wasn't familiar with the different MS definitions.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at to be honest

EF40 by UK standards doesn't come close to EF. Most people would give your typical EF40 a decent VF and not extremely fine, subject to the usual caveat that the numbers on the slab are not always consistent with what you see in the hand. AU50 is typically gVF or maybe a weak EF(UK) - no way will it be close to an UNC. It's the concordance that is the problem.

More modern coins tend to be slightly closer graded to British but older coins are way off. The US grading companies are more lenient with early milled and hammered coins.

I purchased a nice 1696 6 pence from Spink graded GEF. Sent it to NGC it came back MS63.

The reason I did this was not to get it in a higher grade slab but because I was going to sell it on my website and due to it being colourful I though it might appeal to the US market. If someone in the UK were to buy it they could always crack it out and have it raw or send it to CGS.

I've a section on coin grading and US Sheldon grading on my new site if anyone's interested. link below:

http://www.prestigenumismatics.com/coin-grading-4-w.asp:

Edited September 21, 2010 by Hussulo

[1949threepence]

OK, thanks gents. Whilst I appreciate that the Sheldon grading system is more generous than ours, I must point out that I posted the link as a useful reference point for those who have encountered MS descriptions, but might be totally unfamiliar with the system. Not as a "bible" for accurate grading as we know it.

For information, I recently bought a slabbed 1909 penny graded MS63, direct from the USA, and posted it on "coin acquisition of the week". The definition of MS63 is:-

Choice Mint (MS-63)

Generally speaking, this can be thought of as a nice example of Mint State coin which does not meet the strict quality requirements of an MS-65. An MS-63 coin will be an attractive and quite typical example of a new coin of its type with a strike that is typical for the series. There will be a number of surface marks, but not too many, too large nor too awkwardly placed so as to be a distraction. And, while the luster is usually attractive, it may be somewhat subdued or there may be some dull areas. Frequently, an MS-63 coin is an MS-65 coin that has a slight "problem" such as "one hit too many". Also very often, one grading factor will be of a high quality not normally seen at this grade and will compensate for a weaker factor, such as superb luster balancing a weak strike, or near flawless surfaces outweighing diminished luster.

Having looked at the coin in hand in natural light, I tend to agree with the description as described above.

You can see it and judge for yourself,here

Edited September 25, 2010 by 1949threepence

[azda]

The James Workman Sale, prices realised and varieties of pennies for study

http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages/james_workman_pt1.html

[Beebman]

The James Workman Sale, prices realised and varieties of pennies for study

http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages/james_workman_pt1.html

The Colin Cooke site also has a couple of other good sales of pennies from the past with varieties for study:

Crocker Collection:

http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages/the_crocker_collection_of_pennies.html

Alderly Collection:

http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages/alderlycollection.html

Also the Dix Noonan Webb site has archived the sale in 2006 of the Laurie Bamford Victorian Penny collection - it's lots 1 to 204 from the auction at the link below:

http://www.dnw.co.uk/coins/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/results.lasso?SkipRecords=0&&date=20+Jun+06&MaxRecords=50

[azda]

World banknote catalogue - a FREE download, and we do like FREEEEEEEEEEEE

Standard Catalog of World Paper Money (Vol. III, 14th Ed.)

http://www.owenink.com/banknotes/The_Banknote_Update_14th_edition.pdf .

Edited October 3, 2010 by azda

[azda]

Ebay auction sniper (subscription based)

www.hammertap.auctionstealer.com

Ebay auction sniper (free)

https://www.goofbay.com/free_ebay_sniper.html

[azda]

Karl Goetz Medals

http://www.karlgoetz.com/

[davidrj]

Best known examples of French coins from 1795 to 2001 Collection ideale

David

[azda]

If your'e ever in Blackpool visiting, a friend of mine has just taken over a family guest house so i thought i'd give it a little plug here if that's ok. So if your'e ever in the area and need something, just tell them Dave sent you

http://www.butlersblackpool.co.uk/

[Peckris]

If your'e ever in Blackpool visiting, a friend of mine has just taken over a family guest house so i thought i'd give it a little plug here if that's ok. So if your'e ever in the area and need something, just tell them Dave sent you

http://www.butlersblackpool.co.uk/

The former home to R&L Coins, and Peter Ireland, too. Well worth a jaunt.

[azda]

A site full of free ebooks. I think a lot are to do with internet marketing etc, but take a peek, they really are free and something might be in there worth a download.

http://www.videospark.net/

[Colin G.]

Detectorist.co.uk

Link to a metal detcting forum, the best one by a mile in my opinion

[davidrj]

British Museum online catalogues:-

Paper money of England & Wales

Roman Republican coins

Can we hope to see Peck in the future?

David

[Rob]

British Museum online catalogues:-

Paper money of England & Wales

Roman Republican coins

Can we hope to see Peck in the future?

David

I think you probably will at some point, but...

When I tried to get some images of 7 coins in the BM for an article, they wanted to charge £50 per uniface or £60 for both sides on one picture. I offered to take the pictures myself and let them use them for their own purposes but that wasn't allowed. The reason given for the huge increase in fees from say 5 or 10 years ago is that they wanted to raise funds to pay for imaging the entire collection and make it accessible from the website. Failing to make use of goodwill where a private individual is willing to provide free labour to help do the job is probably not the best way of doing things.

Edited November 13, 2010 by Rob

[argentumandcoins]

British Museum online catalogues:-

Paper money of England & Wales

Roman Republican coins

Can we hope to see Peck in the future?

David

I think you probably will at some point, but...

When I tried to get some images of 7 coins in the BM for an article, they wanted to charge £50 per uniface or £60 for both sides on one picture. I offered to take the pictures myself and let them use them for their own purposes but that wasn't allowed. The reason given for the huge increase in fees from say 5 or 10 years ago is that they wanted to raise funds to pay for imaging the entire collection and make it accessible from the website. Failing to make use of goodwill where a private individual is willing to provide free labour to help do the job is probably not the best way of doing things.

Yes, and lets not forget Rob, WE OWN EVERYTHING IN THERE!!!!!!!

[Boomstick]

Thanks for the list of coin dealers 1949. Bearing in mind what's been said about whether it's up to date, does anybody know if Aaron Antiques in Tunny Wells is still worth a visit? Seems to be my local one.

Thanks in advance!

[davidrj]

Australian penny varieties

[davidrj]

Portuguese coins

nice site

[davidrj]

Spanish coins 1474 to 1868 in Spanish but useful

[davidrj]

Euro coins

a bit confusing but lots of info including die varieties

[azda]

US coin values

http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/US-coin-values.html#

[Rob]

Copies of all ages.

Museum Reproductions

Edited December 8, 2010 by Rob

[1949threepence]

Thanks for the list of coin dealers 1949. Bearing in mind what's been said about whether it's up to date, does anybody know if Aaron Antiques in Tunny Wells is still worth a visit? Seems to be my local one.

Thanks in advance!

No worries, Boomstick, pleased to have been of assistance.

I've re-found the link, posted on here by Rob, I think, a few months ago, to a specialist collector's insurance company based in Exeter ~ here

[azda]

Declan found this one, posting it here to keep this thread alive as it's helpful for all things coins.

The birth of the Three and a Half Pence

http://colonialthreehalfpence.com/the_birth