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[davidrj]

If you study Britannia's shield closely there appears to be nothing in the top left or bottom right quadrants - but is it just some sort of weak strike?

Agreed! but also the whole area beneath the lighthouse is also weak, the appears to be no L in LCW

My Freeman 6 is in lousy condition but a much better strike

also is it my imagination, or is a there slight difference in the position of Britannia's thumb relative to St Georges cross??

David

[1949threepence]

The winning bidder On this is actually the guy who bought the 1869 Penny from him last month, he's an Ausrralian patrickc888, something like that

must have been happy then!

Well here's my theory. I reckon that classic british coins is actually shill bidding as he knows people with deep pockets, hence the fact all his auctions are now private, why else would a coin with a value of only 850 be now at double book price, it makes no sense and isn't an ultra rare coin, just my theory anyway

Yes Dave, you've confirmed my suspicions about this vendor. I had noticed.

disclaimer ~ we may be wrong.

[1949threepence]

If you study Britannia's shield closely there appears to be nothing in the top left or bottom right quadrants - but is it just some sort of weak strike?

Agreed! but also the whole area beneath the lighthouse is also weak, the appears to be no L in LCW

My Freeman 6 is in lousy condition but a much better strike

also is it my imagination, or is a there slight difference in the position of Britannia's thumb relative to St Georges cross??

David

The thumb does look vaguely different. Although whether it's because all the other fingers are worn to a flat indistinguishable from each other, blur, I don't know.

Edited December 25, 2010 by 1949threepence

[1949threepence]

Described as 1868/9, It's a "type" I've never encountered before !!!

Take a look

He's 'avin a larf, surely.....

Edited December 26, 2010 by 1949threepence

[azda]

Described as 1868/9, It's a "type" I've never encountered before !!!

Take a look

He's 'avin a larf, surely.....

I think his 6 negatives in 6 months says it all. He does sound German though, as his spelling of Rare (RAR) is the German Spelling, then his answer to one of his negatives with reference to Adolf lol, i'd stay clear, if no one else has seen one of these already i'd think his eyes are playing tricks on him, or else just BS to get rid of it not caring about another negative.

Saying that though, i indulged in an 1882 (No H) just to satisfy my own curiosity, the seller said NO H??? so again, perhaps i've been stung and if so and i can visibly see an H without a lupe or scope, then his neutral will be forthcoming, but if there is no H then

Edited December 26, 2010 by azda

[azda]

If you study Britannia's shield closely there appears to be nothing in the top left or bottom right quadrants - but is it just some sort of weak strike?

Agreed! but also the whole area beneath the lighthouse is also weak, the appears to be no L in LCW

My Freeman 6 is in lousy condition but a much better strike

also is it my imagination, or is a there slight difference in the position of Britannia's thumb relative to St Georges cross??

David

The thumb does look vaguely different. Although whether it's because all the other fingers are worn to a flat indistinguishable from each other, blur, I don't know.

That doesn't look like a thumb, more like a crabs claw

[azda]

Well now isn't that strange, that 1860 Penny from Classic British Coins has actually gone DOWN 100 quid since yesterday, it stood at 1650, now 1550.............Something is afoot

[Rob]

Described as 1868/9, It's a "type" I've never encountered before !!!

Take a look

He's 'avin a larf, surely.....

Maybe, but there's no reason why you can't get an apparently later date struck over an earlier one. The automatic assumption that the die has been reused from an earlier year need not necessarily apply. If the wrong punch has been used when the die was being made you can get any underlying figure, and it doesn't have to be a number either

[1949threepence]

Described as 1868/9, It's a "type" I've never encountered before !!!

Take a look

He's 'avin a larf, surely.....

Maybe, but there's no reason why you can't get an apparently later date struck over an earlier one. The automatic assumption that the die has been reused from an earlier year need not necessarily apply. If the wrong punch has been used when the die was being made you can get any underlying figure, and it doesn't have to be a number either

Oh sure, I accept the general principle of an earlier date punched over a later date, but it's just I've never heard of such a coin as the one described, nor is it in any way apparent from the photo.

[1949threepence]

Described as 1868/9, It's a "type" I've never encountered before !!!

Take a look

He's 'avin a larf, surely.....

I think his 6 negatives in 6 months says it all. He does sound German though, as his spelling of Rare (RAR) is the German Spelling, then his answer to one of his negatives with reference to Adolf lol, i'd stay clear, if no one else has seen one of these already i'd think his eyes are playing tricks on him, or else just BS to get rid of it not caring about another negative.

He's certainly had one dissatisfied German buyer, who'd obviously bought a coin described as UNC but less so in hand However, he says he's UK based ~ Greater Manchester.

The "Adolf" comment may or may not mean he's German, but it's certainly very unpleasant. Difficult to retaliate without ramping up the problem to the buyer's own detriment.

Saying that though, i indulged in an 1882 (No H) just to satisfy my own curiosity, the seller said NO H??? so again, perhaps i've been stung and if so and i can visibly see an H without a lupe or scope, then his neutral will be forthcoming, but if there is no H then

I'd love one of those to be for real. Sincerely hope your gamble has paid off on this occasion, Dave. Realistically, I wouldn't hold my breath, but good luck !!!

[azda]

Described as 1868/9, It's a "type" I've never encountered before !!!

Take a look

He's 'avin a larf, surely.....

I think his 6 negatives in 6 months says it all. He does sound German though, as his spelling of Rare (RAR) is the German Spelling, then his answer to one of his negatives with reference to Adolf lol, i'd stay clear, if no one else has seen one of these already i'd think his eyes are playing tricks on him, or else just BS to get rid of it not caring about another negative.

He's certainly had one dissatisfied German buyer, who'd obviously bought a coin described as UNC but less so in hand However, he says he's UK based ~ Greater Manchester.

The "Adolf" comment may or may not mean he's German, but it's certainly very unpleasant. Difficult to retaliate without ramping up the problem to the buyer's own detriment.

Saying that though, i indulged in an 1882 (No H) just to satisfy my own curiosity, the seller said NO H??? so again, perhaps i've been stung and if so and i can visibly see an H without a lupe or scope, then his neutral will be forthcoming, but if there is no H then

I'd love one of those to be for real. Sincerely hope your gamble has paid off on this occasion, Dave. Realistically, I wouldn't hold my breath, but good luck !!!

Well me either, but as a collector, can you pass it up?

[Rob]

He's certainly had one dissatisfied German buyer, who'd obviously bought a coin described as UNC but less so in hand However, he says he's UK based ~ Greater Manchester.

The "Adolf" comment may or may not mean he's German, but it's certainly very unpleasant. Difficult to retaliate without ramping up the problem to the buyer's own detriment.

You can't read anything into the spellings found within eBay listings. This country is plagued with semi-literates who neither care nor apparently are capable of writing English. He might be English, he might be foreign, but you could never tell from a simple spelling test. Most foreigners want to speak, read and write English correctly and so make an effort when doing so. Sadly, pride or competence in your own language is not something I could accuse many Brits of.

Edited December 26, 2010 by Rob

[azda]

I See that Classic british coins 1860 penny has took yet another tumble, its lost 200 quid since yesterday, wish all sellers were like that lol, but very strange

[1949threepence]

I See that Classic british coins 1860 penny has took yet another tumble, its lost 200 quid since yesterday, wish all sellers were like that lol, but very strange

I'm not sure quite what's going on there to warrant such high bidding, but it looks an absurd amount to pay for a beaded border 1860. You could probably get an 1869 in the same state for a similar amount. The fact that it has come down in price, and there are very high bids long before the end of the auction, suggests something is amiss.

Just scroll down a short distance to find this superb toothed 1860 for £220 or best offer.

Edited December 27, 2010 by 1949threepence

[azda]

Basically its down to shill bidding and greed. This man isn't content with a 100 bux profit on a coin, he wants 100s and His greed will eventually Be his downfall, cos any man knows that, that is never a 1500GBP coin

[Coppers]

Basically its down to shill bidding and greed. This man isn't content with a 100 bux profit on a coin, he wants 100s and His greed will eventually Be his downfall, cos any man knows that, that is never a 1500GBP coin

Here is the bid retraction/cancellation history on that coin...

Bidder Action / Explanation Date of Bid and Retraction

private listing -- bidders identities protected Retracted: £1,600.00

Explanation:Entered wrong amount

Bid:24-Dec-10 23:13:06 GMT

Retracted: 26-Dec-10 16:50:49 GMT

private listing -- bidders identities protected Retracted: £4.50

Explanation:Entered wrong amount

Bid:22-Dec-10 13:32:59 GMT

Retracted: 22-Dec-10 13:54:01 GMT

private listing -- bidders identities protected Retracted: £1,688.00

Explanation:Entered wrong amount

Bid:25-Dec-10 13:14:51 GMT

Retracted: 26-Dec-10 10:18:28 GMT

[azda]

Basically its down to shill bidding and greed. This man isn't content with a 100 bux profit on a coin, he wants 100s and His greed will eventually Be his downfall, cos any man knows that, that is never a 1500GBP coin

Here is the bid retraction/cancellation history on that coin...

Bidder Action / Explanation Date of Bid and Retraction

private listing -- bidders identities protected Retracted: £1,600.00

Explanation:Entered wrong amount

Bid:24-Dec-10 23:13:06 GMT

Retracted: 26-Dec-10 16:50:49 GMT

private listing -- bidders identities protected Retracted: £4.50

Explanation:Entered wrong amount

Bid:22-Dec-10 13:32:59 GMT

Retracted: 22-Dec-10 13:54:01 GMT

private listing -- bidders identities protected Retracted: £1,688.00

Explanation:Entered wrong amount

Bid:25-Dec-10 13:14:51 GMT

Retracted: 26-Dec-10 10:18:28 GMT

So basically he's retracted his own bids down to the next serious bidder who was at 1400GBP, i mean lets be honest how many times have you seen 3 retracted bid on the same item, 2 in the same day?

[azda]

So here's another one he's about to unload to an Aussie. I think the worst thing is, that we know what he does, and have a fair good incling that he shill bids, yet we can't do sweet FA about it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330511200274&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D330511200274%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

[Peckris]

Just scroll down a short distance to find this superb toothed 1860 for £220 or best offer.

It does appear a lovely penny, but closer inspection shows it's not the strongest strike - the folds across Britannia's lap, and Victoria's hair especially below the wreath.

[moneyer12]

did anyone see the idiot who listed a 1 dollar bill and then proceeded to point out why the note is constructed by the illuminati....

[1949threepence]

Just scroll down a short distance to find this superb toothed 1860 for £220 or best offer.

It does appear a lovely penny, but closer inspection shows it's not the strongest strike - the folds across Britannia's lap, and Victoria's hair especially below the wreath.

Weak strike, but very attractive, nonetheless. Probably worth it.

[Peter]

I've bought several coins from him(two best offer & the rest normal auction)His grading is good but recently has ramped up his prices...I always have a look though.

[moneyer12]

So here's another one he's about to unload to an Aussie. I think the worst thing is, that we know what he does, and have a fair good incling that he shill bids, yet we can't do sweet FA about it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330511200274&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D330511200274%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

and they slag off scousers for thieving and cheating.

[1949threepence]

If anybody's interested, there's a near perfect condition Freeman up for grabs right here

[Peckris]

and they slag off scousers for thieving and cheating.

Are you implying that we don't, you git?