Victorian 1844-45 Crowns, Cinquefoil and Stars

[Citizen H]

Looking into when the first Victorian Crown was minted and in circulation got to wondering about... cinquefoil and star on edges 

If by chance would anyone have images of the star version

I believe x 2 of mine are cinquefoil, 1 x ? its rubbed so why Im asking for a comparison.

any comments on the crowns I have showing greatly appreciated. 👍   

[Paddy]

First and third are definitely cinquefoil. I can't make out what is going on with the middle image.

Coins of England (the Spink book previously) has a good image of both stops - page 511 in my 2024 edition.

Note also that for a long time a star stops version of 1845 was listed, but this has now been debunked and it is not listed in the more recent books. Star stops only occur on 1844 Crowns.

 

[Citizen H]

17 hours ago, Paddy said:

First and third are definitely cinquefoil. I can't make out what is going on with the middle image.

Coins of England (the Spink book previously) has a good image of both stops - page 511 in my 2024 edition.

Note also that for a long time a star stops version of 1845 was listed, but this has now been debunked and it is not listed in the more recent books. Star stops only occur on 1844 Crowns.

 

now that's interesting, I will see if I can get any further detail from the rubbed one thats a 1844, my spink book was a entry level purchase whilst I was starting to get things sorted....its a 2009 version...and was cheap, 👍I will indeed look for a newer version, all the very best "H"  

[Rob]

That's the man. Splash out on literature. Spend 3 beers worth on a book instead of 1.

As an aside and not referencing you as a subject,  it never ceases to amaze me how many people consider spending as much as a lunchtime beer with a snack on literature is viewed as excessive and wasted money, when what they spend on coins has several zeros added to the same amount. It seems weird to me that people frequently won't buy the required tools to give them the knowledge required to increase their collection value, which is what they are trying to achieve.

Bizarre.

Not everything is on the internet, and that which is, is becoming increasingly untrustworthy. Everybody needs to tread more carefully than they used to with AI. A potentially useful tool that you can be guarantee to be abused.

Edited 23 hours ago by Rob

[Citizen H]

Ahhhh,.... this is good as the photos get with worn crown... apologise for the poor quality of the photos and the coins that I seem to been a magnet to..... 

 

[Citizen H]

3 hours ago, Rob said:

That's the man. Splash out on literature. Spend 3 beers worth on a book instead of 1.

As an aside and not referencing you as a subject,  it never ceases to amaze me how many people consider spending as much as a lunchtime beer with a snack on literature is viewed as excessive and wasted money, when what they spend on coins has several zeros added to the same amount. It seems weird to me that people frequently won't buy the required tools to give them the knowledge required to increase their collection value, which is what they are trying to achieve.

Bizarre.

Not everything is on the internet, and that which is, is becoming increasingly untrustworthy. Everybody needs to tread more carefully than they used to with AI. A potentially useful tool that you can be guarantee to be abused.

🤣errrmmm as for the book I hadn't been out of hospital that long when I decided to start with the forum and get the coin situation in my life sorted , it wasn't something id seen before an unable to see if it would be of use to me...its proven to be a useful tool, and I will endeavour to find a better copy, I cant fault the 2009 copy for the £4 it cost... not sure were you'd buy a lunchtime beer with a snack from at this price...? besides I've not had a drink of beer in years.... tablets, health, etc etc etc,    👍  

[Coys55]

1 hour ago, Citizen H said:

Ahhhh,.... this is good as the photos get with worn crown... apologise for the poor quality of the photos and the coins that I seem to been a magnet to..... 

 

Is the stop after TUTAMEN any clearer?

[wlewisiii]

19 hours ago, Rob said:

That's the man. Splash out on literature. Spend 3 beers worth on a book instead of 1.

As an aside and not referencing you as a subject,  it never ceases to amaze me how many people consider spending as much as a lunchtime beer with a snack on literature is viewed as excessive and wasted money, when what they spend on coins has several zeros added to the same amount. It seems weird to me that people frequently won't buy the required tools to give them the knowledge required to increase their collection value, which is what they are trying to achieve.

Bizarre.

Not everything is on the internet, and that which is, is becoming increasingly untrustworthy. Everybody needs to tread more carefully than they used to with AI. A potentially useful tool that you can be guarantee to be abused.

I have just found and ordered books on Netherlands and French coins because of running into that the problems with the online sources not always agreeing.

Also ordered a 1927 Wreath Crown and that's setting be back almost as much as the 1898 Netherlands 2 1/2 Gulden without dot in "P Pander". The 1858 XF florin and 1927 proof florin were cheap by comparison! Def cut's back this weeks beers. 🤣

[Citizen H]

18 hours ago, Coys55 said:

Is the stop after TUTAMEN any clearer?

aha, there's a trace of what may be Cinquefoil ? its the best image I can obtain with all the other dings included in the photo. 

 

 

18 hours ago, Coys55 said:

Is the stop after TUTAMEN any clearer?

 

[Citizen H]

On 5/19/2026 at 2:20 PM, Paddy said:

First and third are definitely cinquefoil. I can't make out what is going on with the middle image.

Coins of England (the Spink book previously) has a good image of both stops - page 511 in my 2024 edition.

Note also that for a long time a star stops version of 1845 was listed, but this has now been debunked and it is not listed in the more recent books. Star stops only occur on 1844 Crowns.

 

Hello Paddy, quite right, I managed to find this on the web that someone else was looking into, a useful picture of the difference between the Cinquefoil and the Star 👍