Discussion on 1858/3, and if that variety exists

[SilverAge3]

I have read through Michael Gouby's discussion of 1858 pennies.
He seems to feel there are no 8 over 3.
I may side with him. His reasoning seems sound.

https://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm

 

I have looked at current ebay offerings of 8/3, none of them look promising as specimen.

A couple examples (yes sellers make wild bs claims, nothing new)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/177731430716
https://www.ebay.com/itm/336379281950

 

There was a graded example on Heritage, but I'm not convinced it is an 8/3, either.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/great-britain-victoria-penny-1858-3-/a/3015-24982.s

 

Anyhow, has there been more supporting evidence come forward? Do you think there are examples, or do you agree with Michael?

[SilverAge3]

From the graded example

[SilverAge3]

Genuine 3 from 1853 (via Michael's website)

[SilverAge3]

I realize the title should specify pennies. Lazy omission. If any mods are able to edit that, I would appreciate it.

[SilverAge3]

I found another supposed example graded by NGC, for sale on ebay

Frankly picture is too grainy to help.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/137154063942

Edited 5 hours ago by SilverAge3

[SilverAge3]

Another graded example, this in PCGS slab. Possibly something under there, but I side w Michael it does not look like 1853's "3", the shape is wrong.

 

https://ebay.us/m/veFOIB

Edited 1 hour ago by SilverAge3

[SilverAge3]

Another raw claimining 1858/3
Looks similar overdate to one in PCGS, at quick glance. Die crack that PCGS one does not have.

https://ebay.us/m/59lIoN

 

(Both this and the one in PCGS have hair ribbon-like things, which I recall theories being die clashes. PCGS one even has extension to hair curl's end).