Unwilling Numismatist Posted Friday at 09:25 AM Posted Friday at 09:25 AM Good day, hive mind. Is there an example anyone can point me to for reference of the said variety? I have one I would call "similar" but it would appear as it is quite abraded more potentially to be a H over Horizontal N. I have considered and referred to as many abraded 1820 shilling coins as I can find on the likes of Ebay, past and present and all of them show clear spacing between the bars of the H, even when almost flat, so I believe this one is different. I would appreciate any thoughts on this. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted Friday at 04:27 PM Author Posted Friday at 04:27 PM Its so scabby I weighed it. Its only a little bit light 5g exactly. Fake 100% but I think contemporary rather than modern as it came from a neighbours fathers estate a few years ago. Quote
Citizen H Posted Friday at 06:33 PM Posted Friday at 06:33 PM could you show both sides in full size, would be nice to see. 👍 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted Sunday at 06:47 PM Author Posted Sunday at 06:47 PM On 1/16/2026 at 6:33 PM, Citizen H said: could you show both sides in full size, would be nice to see. 👍 Certainly. 1 Quote
Ukstu Posted Monday at 12:54 AM Posted Monday at 12:54 AM (edited) 6 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: Certainly. Yes i agree it has to be spurious. The dates not lined up properly and the G & R in Geor are out of proportion with the other letters. I have a contemporary forgery silver washed brass shilling dated 1817. Edited Monday at 01:02 AM by Ukstu Quote
Coinery Posted Monday at 07:01 AM Posted Monday at 07:01 AM @seuk used to specialise in these, and had quite a collection I believe. If my memory serves me correctly, he either had, or was putting together, a book and/or website? Quote
Paddy Posted Monday at 08:56 AM Posted Monday at 08:56 AM There was a website for these, which I have bookmarked, but when I tried to visit it just now I think it has been deleted. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted Monday at 09:13 AM Author Posted Monday at 09:13 AM This one definitely looks brass with a silver wash, given its state I decided a clean wasn't going to harm its value too much! Quote
Chris Perkins Posted Monday at 11:07 AM Posted Monday at 11:07 AM 2 hours ago, Paddy said: There was a website for these, which I have bookmarked, but when I tried to visit it just now I think it has been deleted. I think I remember that. Is it on the wayback machine/internet archive? Quote
Paddy Posted Monday at 11:56 AM Posted Monday at 11:56 AM It maybe - I am not sure I would know how to find out. The link I have is this: http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.html Based on the similarities I suspect this may have been @seuk's site. Quote
Ukstu Posted Monday at 11:58 AM Posted Monday at 11:58 AM Gary Oddie has written a few papers about them. He was doing a study of them. Not sure if he still is but his old paper's should still be online somewhere. Quote
Ukstu Posted Monday at 12:04 PM Posted Monday at 12:04 PM 4 minutes ago, Ukstu said: Gary Oddie has written a few papers about them. He was doing a study of them. Not sure if he still is but his old paper's should still be online somewhere. Just found an obituary for him i think so that's a no go on any further research. Passed away last February. 1 Quote
Chris Perkins Posted Monday at 12:29 PM Posted Monday at 12:29 PM Yes, Gary Oddie passed away quite recently. @seuk is Peter Poulsen. Most of his website text has been archived, but unfortunately none of the images: web.archive.org/web/20150825194438/http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.html I hope he's alright. 2 Quote
Ukstu Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Sad news about Gary. I never met him but heard lots of good things about him. He was born in the town i reside in. I just dug my shilling out as this post had sparked my interest. Never even noticed it before but it's got a clear overdate. 1817 over 1820. That's something i have never seen in a counterfeit coin before. 2 Quote
Ukstu Posted Monday at 02:07 PM Posted Monday at 02:07 PM (edited) I assume there must be a known genuine die of this overdate? Must be cast surely. Then again that makes no sense. Why overdate it with an older date. Very odd. I wonder if the word got out that 1820 shillings where being counterfeited thus giving extra scrutiny to coins with that date so the forger altered the date to take some of the scrutiny away 🤔 Edited Monday at 02:42 PM by Ukstu Added too. Quote
Ukstu Posted Monday at 04:06 PM Posted Monday at 04:06 PM Someone has took a genuine 1820 coin and altered it to 1817 then cast it i assume. Anyway....I found the paper's that Gary Oddie wrote if anyone is interested. They are all on the link here...https://britnumsoc.blog/2021/10/09/counterfeit-shillings-of-george-iii-1816-1820-iv-a-contemporary-mould-revisited-gary-oddie/ 3 Quote
Ukstu Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago The plot thickens. Another overdate spotted in the wild. Ebay. 1820 over 1819. Any sign of Seuk ? Love to know his take on these overdate forgeries it's strange yet fascinating. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted 8 hours ago Author Posted 8 hours ago Even thicker, I have an 1819 in this box too! Quote
Ukstu Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 6 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: Even thicker, I have an 1819 in this box too! That's been to hell & back 😆 I think it's probably a cast piece rather than a forged die. The legends are neat. Edited 1 hour ago by Ukstu Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, Ukstu said: That's been to hell & back 😆 Most of the stuff I buy seems to look like that 2 Quote
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