1820 Shilling H over Horizontal H question.

[Unwilling Numismatist]

Good day, hive mind. Is there an example anyone can point me to for reference of the said variety? 

I have one I would call "similar" but it would appear as it is quite abraded more potentially to be a H over Horizontal N. I have considered and referred to as many abraded 1820 shilling coins as I can find on the likes of Ebay, past and present and all of them show clear spacing between the bars of the H, even when almost flat, so I believe this one is different.

I would appreciate any thoughts on this. 

 

[Unwilling Numismatist]

Its so scabby I weighed it. Its only a little bit light   5g exactly. Fake 100%  but I think contemporary rather than modern as it came from a neighbours fathers estate a few years ago. 

 

[Citizen H]

could you show both sides in full size, would be nice to see. 👍

[Unwilling Numismatist]

On 1/16/2026 at 6:33 PM, Citizen H said:

could you show both sides in full size, would be nice to see. 👍

Certainly.

[Ukstu]

6 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

Certainly.

Yes i agree it has to be spurious. The dates not lined up properly and the G & R in Geor are out of proportion with the other letters.

I have a contemporary forgery silver washed brass shilling dated 1817. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Ukstu

[Coinery]

@seuk used to specialise in these, and had quite a collection I believe. If my memory serves me correctly, he either had, or was putting together, a book and/or website?

[Paddy]

There was a website for these, which I have bookmarked, but when I tried to visit it just now I think it has been deleted.

 

[Unwilling Numismatist]

This one definitely looks brass with a silver wash, given its state I decided a clean wasn't going to harm its value too much!  

[Chris Perkins]

2 hours ago, Paddy said:

There was a website for these, which I have bookmarked, but when I tried to visit it just now I think it has been deleted.

 

I think I remember that. Is it on the wayback machine/internet archive?

[Paddy]

It maybe - I am not sure I would know how to find out.

The link I have is this: http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.html 

Based on the similarities I suspect this may have been @seuk's site.

[Ukstu]

Gary Oddie has written a few papers about them. He was doing a study of them. Not sure if he still is but his old paper's should still be online somewhere. 

[Ukstu]

4 minutes ago, Ukstu said:

Gary Oddie has written a few papers about them. He was doing a study of them. Not sure if he still is but his old paper's should still be online somewhere. 

Just found an obituary for him i think so that's a no go on any further research. Passed away last February. 

[Chris Perkins]

Yes, Gary Oddie passed away quite recently. 

@seuk is Peter Poulsen. Most of his website text has been archived, but unfortunately none of the images:

web.archive.org/web/20150825194438/http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.george_iii.html

I hope he's alright.