Charles I, 12 shillings with cracks

[Citizen H]

Charles I,

12 Shillings

Tower Mint

with the cracks would this have happened if the silver hadn't been anneal prior to being hammered ? 

Edited April 21 by Citizen H

[Rob]

Probably insufficiently annealed. Stress cracks happen quite often and I tend to ignore them if not too obtrusive, or the coin is rare enough to override them. 

[Citizen H]

[Rob]

Anyway, that's a shilling. What about the halfcrown? You tend to see them more on larger flans, which is probably a reflection of the greater difficulty in getting the correct and even temperature conditions across a large flan than a small one

[Citizen H]

1 hour ago, Rob said:

Anyway, that's a shilling. What about the halfcrown? You tend to see them more on larger flans, which is probably a reflection of the greater difficulty in getting the correct and even temperature conditions across a large flan than a small one

Hi Rob, Ive not had a Half Crown with a similar issue, this 12 shilling is my first, I didn't keep records of how much I paid for these back then but knowing me it wouldn't have been that much... Interesting to pick up on this information now in my days.... as I do recall that I did once consider getting rid of it as being un worth keeping ...... so pleased I did keep it..... many thanks for the input, 👍    

[Paddy]

Just to clarify, as Rob tried to do, it is a One Shilling coin (or 12 pence), not a 12 shilling coin.

[Citizen H]

1 hour ago, Paddy said:

Just to clarify, as Rob tried to do, it is a One Shilling coin (or 12 pence), not a 12 shilling coin.

Many Thanks for all of the input, its been a long day and fatigue hits in, besides every day is a learning curve,.....and i do get some of these right, ..........👍

[Rob]

To demonstrate my earlier statement, here is a Charles I type 4 crown with mm. R in brackets over P in brackets. Stress marks everywhere, but a rare mark, so forgiven to some extent. All (R) crowns are over (P) - see Coopers BNJ article.

[Coinery]

1 hour ago, Rob said:

To demonstrate my earlier statement, here is a Charles I type 4 crown with mm. R in brackets over P in brackets. Stress marks everywhere, but a rare mark, so forgiven to some extent. All (R) crowns are over (P) - see Coopers BNJ article.

I personally don’t have a problem with these kind of irregularities, either, especially when they fall outside of the main design (as they mostly do)…they are the charm of the heavier silver imho, something I seldom have issue with.

[Citizen H]

as a comparison..

this is my Charles 1, Half Crown 

Tower London

I see some confliction with the dates, one place has it as 1641-1643, another reads as 1639-1640, is there any go to references that are more accurate?

I was always doubtful that this was genuine....until I've been looking into things... opinions welcome

many thanks "H"      

[Citizen H]

[TomGoodheart]

The Triangle-in-Circle mark was struck between 15 Jul 1641 and 28 May 1643 H.  
Triangle alone that was 4 Jul 1639 - 26 Jun 1640, which might be where the confusion lies.

This is based on the trials of the Pyx dates given in the preface to the Brooker collection book.

[Citizen H]

3 hours ago, TomGoodheart said:

The Triangle-in-Circle mark was struck between 15 Jul 1641 and 28 May 1643 H.  
Triangle alone that was 4 Jul 1639 - 26 Jun 1640, which might be where the confusion lies.

This is based on the trials of the Pyx dates given in the preface to the Brooker collection book.

I have been using http://www.psdetecting.com/  for all of the mint marks that relate to whoever is reigning, I use also Numista, this is a good place for additional details once a coin is identified, I also use  https://www.rodblunt.com/  although I'm still learning and to much info to work through and can still be struggling. Being here is a great help, the guidance is greatly appreciated... once again many thanks "H"