1919 kn forgery

[SilverAge3]

This is from another coin forum, but worth noting

 

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=456514

[secret santa]

They're getting better at this. It's much better than the Victorian bronze pennies.

[secret santa]

That reverse is scarily good - I had to count the teeth to make sure but the fake has 180 teeth whereas the genuine article has 187.

[SilverAge3]

36 minutes ago, secret santa said:

That reverse is scarily good - I had to count the teeth to make sure but the fake has 180 teeth whereas the genuine article has 187.

Good catch!

[VickySilver]

I agree, very impressive. Now if they could only pull of a '19H, I might be a buyer at Ali Baba prices! Oops, shouldn't have let that out....I am always unhappy with the 19H's...

The obverse looks almost of the '26ME quality & treatment of hair detail....

[Peckris 2]

I'd run a mile if I saw that. Britannia fully struck up? Teeth prooflike? Sharp portrait? It screams 'fake' to me.

[Bruce]

1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:

I'd run a mile if I saw that. Britannia fully struck up? Teeth prooflike? Sharp portrait? It screams 'fake' to me.

Yes, too good to be true, and i always believe i won't be that lucky to buy a bargain piece like that.

[secret santa]

Yes, the teeth are too long, her right thumb is too short, the left hand waves cover the teeth plus a few other minor details but generally the best attempt at a bronze penny that I've seen to date.

[VickySilver]

Wow, Richard, exceptional coin there for the comparo - can we see a quick shot of the obverse?

[secret santa]

[Peckris 2]

6 hours ago, secret santa said:

Yes, the teeth are too long, her right thumb is too short, the left hand waves cover the teeth plus a few other minor details but generally the best attempt at a bronze penny that I've seen to date.

 

You have a beautiful example there Richard - one of the best I've seen, superbly struck up compared with the average example.

 

HOWEVER... even at a glance I can see the differences on the reverse. From the eyebrow height of the helmet and head, down the neck, to below the breast area, and the drapery adjacent to the shield - it's all more vague and less precise, which is inevitable when you consider the deep cut portrait on the obverse. Which is why I sigh admiringly at your example, which is so obviously genuine, but would run a mile from the other which is just too precisely modelled to be anything but fake.

[secret santa]

Her prehensile big toe is also rather creepy.

[SilverAge3]

As the OP called it, big foot Britannia

[oldcopper]

Sometimes the head/face can be quite sharp on the real ones. Here's one I used to own ex one of the CC collections, I think the Workman one.

Edited January 23, 2024 by oldcopper

[SilverAge3]

Wow nice. Those Workman collection pieces were amazing.

Even with that ghosting, the rev has excellent detail.

Edited January 29, 2024 by SilverAge3

[VickySilver]

Yes, although the tricky side is the obverse. Don't get me started on the "H"s!