1873 penny. very wide colons after F D: touching the inner line and rotated to point towards the tooth

[terrysoldpennies]

This is a strange one, colons like this are known and listed for some pennies in 1860 and 1861, but are all to be found on Freeman 4+d [gouby G+d] coins , and all are thought to have been made from a batch of dies made without colons in this position ,and then being etched into the die by hand ,there by making the position of the colons vary from one die to the next , this though is an 1873 , and along with all pennies made between 1863 to 1873 is a Freeman 6+g [Gouby J+g].  Until now all seemed to have had the normal width colons,  most coins having colons pointing towards the gap, but with a few having them rotated partly onto the tooth.   I notice though that the replacement 1874  F7 obverse has the colons rotated to point towards the tooth, but are still of the normal width.   Terry

[terrysoldpennies]

Normal colons and rotated normal width colons.

[terrysoldpennies]

1873 penny

[Peter]

I really can't see anything that would give me any joy there.You 1d boys are a breed apart.

[Rob]

Anything entered by hand can end up in any position. If a stop has been lost and the need was felt to replace it, then surely the actual position of the repair is going to be a lottery?

[zookeeperz]

2 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

This is a strange one, colons like this are known and listed for some pennies in 1860 and 1861, but are all to be found on Freeman 4+d [gouby G+d] coins , and all are thought to have been made from a batch of dies made without colons in this position ,and then being etched into the die by hand ,there by making the position of the colons vary from one die to the next , this though is an 1873 , and along with all pennies made between 1863 to 1873 is a Freeman 6+g [Gouby J+g].  Until now all seemed to have had the normal width colons,  most coins having colons pointing towards the gap, but with a few having them rotated partly onto the tooth.   I notice though that the replacement 1874  F7 obverse has the colons rotated to point towards the tooth, but are still of the normal width.   Terry

2 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

This is a strange one, colons like this are known and listed for some pennies in 1860 and 1861, but are all to be found on Freeman 4+d [gouby G+d] coins , and all are thought to have been made from a batch of dies made without colons in this position ,and then being etched into the die by hand ,there by making the position of the colons vary from one die to the next , this though is an 1873 , and along with all pennies made between 1863 to 1873 is a Freeman 6+g [Gouby J+g].  Until now all seemed to have had the normal width colons,  most coins having colons pointing towards the gap, but with a few having them rotated partly onto the tooth.   I notice though that the replacement 1874  F7 obverse has the colons rotated to point towards the tooth, but are still of the normal width.   Terry

Is it my eyesight or do the other two examples have the ribbon end cut centrally and yours is cut over to the left end?

[zookeeperz]

1 hour ago, Rob said:

Anything entered by hand can end up in any position. If a stop has been lost and the need was felt to replace it, then surely the actual position of the repair is going to be a lottery?

Would or could that be the case for the 1920 Penny ? or was that made differently to align the colons to the border teeth?

[terrysoldpennies]

11 minutes ago, zookeeperz said:

Is it my eyesight or do the other two examples have the ribbon end cut centrally and yours is cut over to the left end?

I can't discern any difference between it and any of the other ribbons , it looks more offset in the picture I know, but as you can see there's a small scratch across the end of the ribbon , and I think it has very slightly damaged it .     Terry

[secret santa]

Here's a photo of an obverse 7 with that colon dot missing. Maybe they added it back in later and there may be obverse 7 coins with a mis-aligned colon ?