Sovereign 1917 Genuine ?

[Mycoins]

Genuine or not ? Im not too happy with the irregular types in the date and the ear of the king looks a bit like Mr Spock : https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=2953&category=61100&lot=2467839

[ozjohn]

Also the horse's tail seems to be too far from the rim and the dragon's claws seem to be just claws whereas in the genuine article there are pads on the feet more like a cat rather than a lizard.

[azda]

Considering Spink quotes these as "forgeries exist" and with a book price starting at £5500 i wouldn't hold my breath but if it was found to be a forgery then it should be able to be returned to the auction house, their grading is also terrible VZ-ST which is EF to UNC.

I've sent them an email regarding it's authenticity and if they are absolutely sure it's genuine and also mentioned that if i win it i'd be sending it off for verification (just to move them into gear, it doesn't interest me) i'll get back to you if they send me a reply

Edited August 22, 2016 by azda

[Nick]

It doesn't look at all convincing.  Best avoided.

[Matteo95]

These are coins that I'd buy only with an important provenance ... You will pay it a little more but you sure of its quality

[jacinbox]

Won’t go near that one

[azda]

Spotted this one about a year ago and never went near it

[azda]

OBV

[VickySilver]

LOL, the last a bit bad there Dave - think I remember it? The OP coin is priced at bullion; IMO is a FAKE with lots of little detail wrong but obviously great care taken as there is a lot of [wrong] beard detail. The visage of the rider on reverse is wrong. Interestingly the edge which is where many of these, including Dave's,  goes bad is actually quite decent.

[Leo]

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/4672/counterfeit-Australia-1917P-gold-sovereign/

The claw above the first 1 looks particularly different to the original

[ozjohn]

This may help https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/fakes.html plenty of info here on fake sovereigns.

[Leo]

Incidently. I've just come across this half sovereign in catawiki. The color is so wrong. Could it be a white balance issue?

It can't be a fake, surely not

 

[azda]

Probably just poor quality lighting Leo

[Mycoins]

On ‎22‎.‎08‎.‎2016 at 9:14 AM, azda said:

Considering Spink quotes these as "forgeries exist" and with a book price starting at £5500 i wouldn't hold my breath but if it was found to be a forgery then it should be able to be returned to the auction house, their grading is also terrible VZ-ST which is EF to UNC.

I've sent them an email regarding it's authenticity and if they are absolutely sure it's genuine and also mentioned that if i win it i'd be sending it off for verification (just to move them into gear, it doesn't interest me) i'll get back to you if they send me a reply

I sent them a mail asking if the coin is followed by an expertise but they have not answered yet.

[azda]

1 minute ago, Mycoins said:

I sent them a mail asking if the coin is followed by an expertise but they have not answered yet.

Haven't had anything back either, makes you wonder if they know it's not genuine themselves

[mhcoins]

As a comparison this is the 1917 London Mint Sovereign from The ParkHouse Collection that i photographed

[mhcoins]

Graded NGC MS63

[Mycoins]

Still no answer from the auctionhouse. I am starting to suspect that they know what they are doing. Even if Rheinland is not top of the pop, they ought to have a catalogue at hand.