Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Hello guys. I have just joined the forum and would like to ask a question about my recently bought Gothic crown. I am a coin collector from China studying in the UK. So I would like to apologise for people from my countries making so many fakes. I bought this Gothic crown off a very reliable trader but people from Chinese coin forums are calling it a fake, so I am very confused now and would like to seek help from you experts. Did I manage to buy something made in China or was it made in UK? Thank you very much if you can help me! Quote
SWANNY Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 I have never seen one is such poor condition , even the copies are close to EF Quote
jacinbox Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) So fakes are bothering even the Chinese now. Can you weigh the coin? First guess, I'd say it looks clean. Edited April 25, 2016 by jacinbox 1 Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, jacinbox said: So fakes are bothering even the Chinese now. Can you weigh the coin? First guess, I'd say it looks clean. It weighs 28 grams exact. Most of the fake coins from China are actually Chinese. In China, we call it getting 'drugged'. There are so many fake Chinese coins around that I even have a tin box for all the fake coins that i got 'drugged'. Well, to be honest, this is the first time that I have bought a British coin and suspecting whether it is a fake. Personally, with all the experiences of dealing with Chinese 'drug dealers', I don't think it is fake, but you guys are the experts. So I thought it might be a good idea seeking help here. Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 21 minutes ago, SWANNY said: I have never seen one is such poor condition , even the copies are close to EF Thank you very much haha. I am only a student so I really cannot afford the ones with top condition. Quote
mrbadexample Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Tommy Yang said: I would like to apologise for people from my countries making so many fakes. Apology accepted. Seriously though, if it wasn't China it would be somewhere else, and I don't think we can hold you responsible. I think your crown looks genuine, although I'm no expert at all. I hope so anyway, it's a lovely coin. Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 54 minutes ago, SWANNY said: Can you email higher resolution pictures ? Definitely! Would you please leave me your email address. (or if there is another way of finding it on the forum) Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 30 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: Apology accepted. Seriously though, if it wasn't China it would be somewhere else, and I don't think we can hold you responsible. I think your crown looks genuine, although I'm no expert at all. I hope so anyway, it's a lovely coin. Haha, thank you Sir. We Chinese collectors are in fact the biggest victim. The Chinese coin market has been booming for the past 10, 20 years and the high profit has driven many people to start making fake coins (mostly Chinese coins). Some of the very high end silver coins are actually made by the Taiwanese and Japanese now. The quality of those fakes are absolutely crazy, very very hard to tell. Quote
SWANNY Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Here are some pics of a known real Gothic Crown 1 Quote
Garrett Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Looks a bit suspicious to me. Welcome to the forum. Quote
mrbadexample Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Garrett said: Looks a bit suspicious to me. C'mon Garrett, help us rookies out a bit? What makes it suspicious? I can't see anything about it I'm not happy with, although to be fair I've never had one of these in hand. I should be so lucky. Quote
seuk Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Here's the old thread abouth Gothic Crown forgeries. The coin in question doesn't have the same marks as those forgeries - so if counterfeit it's from a different source. Quote
Garrett Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 3 hours ago, mrbadexample said: C'mon Garrett, help us rookies out a bit? What makes it suspicious? I can't see anything about it I'm not happy with, although to be fair I've never had one of these in hand. I should be so lucky. No worries I am a rookie too. I just zoomed in for a close look, then did a side-by-side between the coin and the genuine one. If the thread starter has any serious concerns perhaps he could get CGS to have a look. cheers Garrett. 1 Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Garrett said: Looks a bit suspicious to me. Welcome to the forum. Thank you very much! Just saw your reply.... Edited April 25, 2016 by Tommy Yang Quote
Garrett Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Tommy Yang said: Thank you very much! Just saw your reply.... No worries perhaps I zoomed in too far, the lions legs look funny as do a couple of other areas. Don't mean to offend, I maybe should have made a better post in the first place before I rushed out the door. Good luck with your studies ! 1 Quote
IanB Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 4 hours ago, SWANNY said: Here are some pics of a known real Gothic Crown That is a beautiful looking coin 1 Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Garrett said: No worries I am a rookie too. I just zoomed in for a close look, then did a side-by-side between the coin and the genuine one. If the thread starter has any serious concerns perhaps he could get CGS to have a look. cheers Garrett. Sorry for bothering you Garrett, but would you please tell me which bit of the coin is different with the genuine one? Is the edge? Quote
SWANNY Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 I purchased an advertised fake on Ebay to sit next to my real coin. The pictures on here look just like the fake I have , just a lot more ware on this one. When we get high resolution pictures we will be able to tell Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Garrett said: No worries perhaps I zoomed in too far, the lions legs look funny as do a couple of other areas. Don't mean to offend, I maybe should have made a better post in the first place before I rushed out the door. Good luck with your studies ! Thank you very much, ignore the previous reply please...I just saw this reply... Quote
Tommy Yang Posted April 25, 2016 Author Posted April 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, SWANNY said: I purchased an advertised fake on Ebay to sit next to my real coin. The pictures on here look just like the fake I have , just a lot more ware on this one. When we get high resolution pictures we will be able to tell That sounds very worrying...give me 30 minutes...I will try my best to get you the high resolution pictures.... Quote
mrbadexample Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 50 minutes ago, Garrett said: No worries I am a rookie too. I just zoomed in for a close look, then did a side-by-side between the coin and the genuine one. How do you zoom in? Quote
Peter Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Welcome Tommy,The gothic crown is notorious in being faked.There are many experienced collectors who have been duped and probably many crowns sit in collections with the collector unaware.The problem with yours is that it seems to have been quite heavily circulated and this would be extremely rare(unheard of for a proof)If you submitted this to CGS they would authenticate(or not)the coin.The source of your purchase would be a good starting point. http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=146846 This is another forum I am a member of and these gothics have been discussed at length.Hope this helps Quote
coinkat Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) Welcome and thanks for posting the image- It certainly gives us something to examine and think about. From the image, I simply am unable to say with absolute certainty. The coin is obviously worn-likely a high end VG10 by US Standards. If it is a counterfeit, I think the likelihood is that it is a contemporary counterfeit from back in the day- It just does not have the look of a modern fake. Some counterfeit coins can be deceptive in terms of the quality. Edited April 26, 2016 by coinkat added counterfeit in last sentence Quote
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