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I actually let this gentleman know it wasn't a Gouby X and he ignored me!!!!

Missed Dave's explanation above (slaps head firmly!)

I noted that your new 4 falls clearly between a gap in the teeth. Both others are on top or over teeth. Also the nine is a very different shape or is that just me?

Thanks Bob.

Mr T, would be really interested in your thoughts after you get the CD. Cheers Brian

Seems to be the Halfpennies that are harder to get and slightly more expensive.

My silver "coloured" was about £5 I think. The brass one was £10 inc of p&p. I also have a halfpenny brass insert which cost me about £15. I like the whole range although not sure I could afford the rarer ones. Brian

Maybe tin Rob, I was more insinuating colour. But haven't tested it.

Rather than re hash another thread thought I would resurrect this one. I have just bought a second model penny this time with brass inlay. However the axis is off by 180. Is this normal? The silver one I have posted directly above is normal. Here is a pic. Thanks all Brian

Just noting that many, if not all Dot coin examples also show signs of retooled letters. So this would add more credence to Robs stance in that debris from the old lettering would be present and could affix itself to the die. Still curious that it seems to be seen on copper and bronze coinage but so far no one seems to have come up with other denominations with these defects.

Has anyone else got a 1855 penny with the same fault as Bobs? Would be interested to see.

There are a few of the "Dots" that do not appear in the legends. Here is a 1855 Penny, with a "dot" on Victoria's forehead! Hi Bob, I saw thus on your page and was the reason I said nearly all Dots were found on or near the Legend. That's a canny wart she has there ?. Fantastic coin as well. Brian

Rob you maybe right but Ian does raise a good point. Nearly all these "DOTS" seem to be located on or near to the Legend in places which do not spoil the overall look of the coin and therefor can be easily over looked by most people. Also so far I can't seem to find anything about silver coins having this defect/die flaws. It seems very strange that this would be the case, silver also being a reasonably soft metal! I am quite happy to be proved wrong about the silver part as I have just been researching on the PC and waiting for one of the silver collectors to say one way or the other. My Nana was always good at reading the tea leaves

Happy Birthday Matt. Hope you have a fantastic day and evening!

I have used it quite a few times. It saves loads of hassle when it comes to missing the post. You get a text to say it is at the local Argos and you simply pick it up at a time appropriate to you. No extra cost so win win.

I am finding this a really interesting discussion and hope one of the silver collectors will be able to say if dots do appear on silver coinage too. I have not heard about any but as a novice on silver will wait to see. Thanks Guys.

Finally the date showing the protrusion coming from under the top of the left hand side of the 5. Again not as clear as Alfnails but definately there

This shows the protrusion from the bottom of the I of VICTORIA. My coin is a bit more worn than Alfnail's but it is definately there.

Thats an intriguing idea Ian. Would be interested to see others thoughts on that one. I know they place holes in Metal work to reduce stress and cracking, maybe that could be why some of these dots are so perfect! Anyway here is a close up of some of the parts of my coin to illustrate Alfnail's enquiries above. I will put them in different posts as i find I can't get the quality otherwise.

I have some better close up images. Will post them later when I get home. As you state there is no sign of further degrading from the dot. Brian

I did notice that the Reverse is different to yours, mine having the far colon after DEF :

Hi Alfnail It seems there are definate similarities. The I of Victoria does have the exact same small protrusion as does the 5. I have done another photo which hopefully is a much better quality. As with most coin photography is a new animal for me to master. Regards Brian

This is a much better image and I think shows as expected, probably post mint!

Those images are really bad. hopefully this should be a bit better!

You maybe right but here is a couple of close up images.