Prax

It's not on the coin anymore. More of an optical illusion.

Some of you know me as a Penny collector (Nut), however among other things I do like to travel a bit, read ancient scriptures and regularly explore the hidden depths of my spirituality. I also follow the bullion and currency markets (though I don't indulge in any financial speculation put simply I don't gamble). Through this forum I have come across some very switched-on blokes and I thought we should have something going about the markets. I am keen to get something going about the property market. 3 major economies (China, Canada and Australia) are on the verge of a property bubble pop, all major stock markets are bleeding and OPEC forecasts flat oil prices for the foreseeable future. So back to my question what's your gut feeling about the UK property market and the collectibles market? Your 2p's worth please!

Missed the Spink USA auction yesterday. Some really good pennies there went for peanuts and most sold to a room bidder. Looks like Atlas Numismatics made another killing. 1874 H - UNC - £80 1870 - UNC - £200 1869 - XF - ? 1868 - XF - ? 1918H - XF - ? and a few more

Umm legal tender, neither legal nor tender in my opinion.

Latest addition F762 - ex Spink https://www.spink.com/lot-description.aspx?id=15006000519 Swapped for a 1865/3 1D in UNC + 1863 1D PCGS MS 64 RB

http://tinypic.com/r/30johl2/9 http://tinypic.com/r/2zs6tm8/9 Really low grade specimen. I am yet to locate my 5+D (ONF) Penny

They give you just a selection of the recently completed lots if you don't logon. However if you know the lot number and auction number you can build their URL without much difficulty

Yes indeed. Here's the Spink link https://www.spink.com/lot-description.aspx?id=15006000537

Well done Pete. Have you considered starting a website?

Acquired this week Swapped for a UNC 1876 h wide date, PCGS 1873 MS 65 RB and a PCGS 1866 65 RB Provenance : Spink Sep 2015 10056 Lot 537 (around £1200 with premium) and ex Ashman (?)

I am going to send your wife flowers, a bottle of Prosecco and a Dirty Dancing DVD to persuade her into dragging you to Spain during the first week in March. Far too much competition for the next LCA

I can't seem to want to use past tense there. Can imagine how difficult it ought to have been for Peter!!! Jerry, I am in the City these days. I remember how I used to flock to Newport every first Monday of the month - me and a bloke called Paul Long from Jacob's Gallery on Canal Wharf. Paul used to be into hammered coins and me into bronze pennies. Good times Looks like the next LCA is one for the Penny Boys. Just spoke to Mr Gouby who is going along as well. From South London the usual Stan, Jeremy, Tom and I should be going. Should be a cracker of a sale.

A Very Happy New Year folks!!!!!! Before I say anything else, I wish Peter well. I am heartbroken for the loss of Mrs Peter whom most of us know very well. She will be truly missed. Thanks for all the messages that I’ve received from the forum members (especially Pete, Dave, Gary, Hazel and Jerry). I’ve been a bit busy lately and I have had far too much to tackle owing to a (failed) shot at emigrating. School, home, job the works I have not plugged any gaps last year but have managed a dozen or so upgrades including this one https://www.spink.com/lot-description.aspx?id=15006000529 Lastly Richard lovely site I must say and some real dollies you have on your site. I promise to be back soon. Happy hunting all.

Many thanks. I have added your contribution to the spreadsheet.

Anyone seen the 1867/77 penny on Fleabay? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301240989167?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Pete, Have swapped one of the F76s with Jac happy to swap the other with you but it's not in great condition. Having seen your coins this one will fall flat on pedigree Will IM the photos to you when I reach UK. We can swap if you are interested.

So besides Freeman and V.R. Court there aren't any other penny surveys of interest? Mr T let's start our own Me thinks it would be good to start a headcount on some of the rarer variants and as most of the 'Big Fish' are on this forum it might be good to get started here. I am starting with the scarcer 1874 (8+G and 8+H) and 1874 H (F69 and F76) pennies Gouby's specialised bronze book provides the latest count on the pennies where he states that there are 7 known F76s and 9 known F69s (in all grades?) I am pretty sure there are a few more, because of the F69s I have 5 - 1 in Fine and 2 in Fair and 2 in good grade F76 I have 3 - 1 in GF 1 in Fair and 1 Poor Apart from this I have seen Gary Schindler sell 2 or 3 F69s on ebay a couple of years back. So as far as the F69s go I am of the opinion there are around 20 F69s and about 12 F76s. The obverse 8 1874 pennies are scarce in XF+ grade so let us limit the discussion on these to just XF and above. Unfortunately though I have about 30 obverse 8 pennies none of those are in grades over fine. Would like to hear from the other Bronze Boys about their thoughts on all 4 1874s once done I would like to start a similar rant on the 1861 scare variants.

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Market is on the up for choice pieces. Seems like a sellers' market at the mo across the board for milled coins. What's the market like for the other categories (hammered, Ancient) - anyone?

Lol, you obviously don't know Mr Platt Half tempted to send him this (http://www.atlasnumismatics.org/1015220.jpg) as ref to what prooflike should be and this (http://www.atlasnumismatics.org/1017218.jpg) for bronze proof. However considering he might be guilty of deliberate misrepresentation I fail to see the point.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-QUEEN-VICTORIA-BRONZE-BUN-HEAD-PENNY-UNC-PROOFLIKE-/111675093795?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1a005ab323 proof (like) UNC supposedly Beats me someone with such good feedback can call a coin with cuts on the cheek and verd at the lettering UNC and prooflike.

https://www.spink.com/lot-description.aspx?id=15031000411

That's interesting. considering you were at the sale and are well informed it would help if you could expand further please. Infact there were two their often bidding against each other. The main one bought most of the expensive coins offered. Without wishing to name names, "bidder 61" a virtually unknown figure at the start of the sale, sat in the corner and pratically bought all of the top end coins, like the 1820 gold five pounds, the Anne five guineas, the 1699 five guineas etc etc. I would hate to guess just how much he spent in the end. Both "bidder 61" and a Japanese buyer literally chased up the prices on all of the so called star coins of the sale. As investors they seemed to have, like someone mentioned earlier, a criteria of high grade and rare material only. There bidding patterns reminded me of such as on storage wars where one would shout £5000 the the next £10,000.Ultimately these two buyer won't effect the collectors markets which most of us on here are involved in. They aren't interested in normal every day pieces. Thanks MH

That's interesting. considering you were at the sale and are well informed it would help if you could expand further please. Infact there were two their often bidding against each other. The main one bought most of the expensive coins offered.