damian1986

This isn't meant as a whinge but coming into collecting relatively recently it wasn't as an investor but as a collector. My desire to purchase coins isn't fuelled by how much I can make on them. When that desire is lost, or the motivations are replaced with an investor mentality, what happens then? If collectors aren't around to inform the investor market then they might aswell be trading in numismatic futures - devoid of emotion and personality and substance in the context of the history of our coinage. I'm going overboard but two things that wind me up about that article - and I'll defer to you lot because you are the ones in the know, BUT: 1. Barring the odd blip, were coins ever a poor investment anyway? 2. "Companies can fail" - so what? Grow a pair and commit to something instead of sitting there drooling over your unresearched Triple Unite in VF. Edit: a bit harsh the more I think of it considering how much money is invested in startups and other small businesses. Don't want to sound like tooo much of a prick.

Deep tone, may look familiar (Stewie)

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Re-post - surely these boxes don't even go for a tenth of that (I haven't checked!)? Good fine or better with some inverse staining and a few edge knocks. Books at no one gives a shit and is one of only three million viable methods of coin storage. Only joking... apparently people do give a shit - link. You could buy a first edition Dickens for that... No words inside just the binding, but you've got to start somewhere right!!?

The conversation moved away from that to P&M and then Rob's collection so the thread did pretty well in the end no? Anyway the odd whinge is good for the soul

Well i'm losing interest, everyone's asking a fortune whether it's a problem coin entombed or a real quality piece that's going on commission. Just spotted a Philip & Mary 6d going for £4,500, it's a reasonable coin considering the issue but meh come on. Not so sure 2014 was the best time to begin forming a collection if it's gonna cost X days wages to pick up some early/mid 20th century silvers in a decent grade. Okay so it's a stupid price to ask but what happens when the next 5 CGS-graded mediocre coins make their way onto fleabay at a silly price and no alternatives are available to commerce?, someone pulls the trigger on one eventually. Whinge whinge whinge, I know I know.

Wasn't a patch on wwyon

Not an option You may interpret the poll as "which do you dislike the least?" Rub her up a bit eh. I hope not. I'm undecided on the new design I guess if this poll was carried out in 1998 the same reservations would have been had about the IRB design. Gillick the clear winner up to now, the youngest and only predecimal portrait what could be expected but she didn't do a wonderful job as Cecil Thomas (whose own design lost out to Gillick's), by all accounts a bit of a genius with the sculptor's knife in hand, had to re-touch the thing for coins issued 1954 onwards. So I'm stuck.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02l42vl/p02l43mm

To think that Invisible Touch was current when I left the womb. No doesn't bear thinking about... Pink Floyd

Useful to know thank you. Much better than Genesis.

Compare the picture I posted with the coin's design. Oh hello Nordle

This is something that bothers me too. The below is much more impressive so let's not discredit the designers too much on this one! I think that the designs out to be the best that they have ever been!! Using CNC machines for producing dies would seem to be so much better than the older reducing machines; my understanding is that dies can be produced relatively quickly now by scanning the sculpted surfaces rather than having to trace over them for 3+ days or however long it took. And also, the designers tend to use a mixture of digital technologies along with traditional clay and metal work to arrive at a final sculpture - some use the digital technologies to fine-tune a design having done most of the sculpting by hand, for example. Either way there's an abundance of technology available to creatives to do as they please and the software is in no way limited in what it can do. So a couple of things I wonder: ( a ) is there a mandate to design coins conducive to lower production costs (by limiting the relief in designs)? ( b ) has the improvement in technology actually brought with it a dumbing down of the creative hand? (an analogy might be: calculators and computer software reducing the need to practice mental arithmetic) ( c ) do designers really get given enough time to produce quality work? The best designs are usually underpinned by days, weeks, months of thought and are inspired. If it's just a case of getting designs out of the door then what do you expect. ( d ) presumably the pressures of each strike are really set at the bare minimum in order churn out high volumes. A proof striking of this design will give you a better idea.

I want a mint state Godless and haven't seen one in the past 6 months. I thought I just wasn't looking hard enough. Hello Potlings. Well I have a really good one that's going up soon. For all the reasons stated you normally have to make compromises depending on how deep your pockets are. Regards Mark There are so many coins that I would like to own that I can easily pass on something and get something else. Florins have such wonderful designs that I like to see them near their best. A Julio-Claudian Sestertius that's lived in the ground for 2000 years, not as big a deal.

Well this is all good to know anyway. It puts certain coins into perspective. Don't want to be getting into bidding wars at auctions. But jump onto the next nice one that comes along seems to be the lesson here. The EF from DNW is the sort of coin that would grade very well in an NGC holder or something. I have seen a few florins around the MS63 mark that show wear but seems to be all about the surfaces with those lot and nice surfaces it does have. Not so keen on the edge knock though.

Very chuffed with this. Carmarthenshire DH7.

I want a mint state Godless and haven't seen one in the past 6 months. I thought I just wasn't looking hard enough. Hello Potlings.

I have a copy but don't see the tables that you're referring to. There are a number of summaries of mint output throughout the book and in the second-last chapter we have a breakdown of the number of imperial, colonial and foreign pieces struck. 1923 Imperial: 89,120,562 Colonial: 61,957,200 Foreign: 1,335,200

If you look at the upcoming auctions at DNW, March, June, September, November, December (!) - you'll see that they're not accepting consignments for any of them. Whether that's because we're outside of the window for each sale or because they have that much already consigned in advance...???

Nothing. It's really just a shit piece of journalism all said and done. Local press outlets are under serious pressure right now and so it's no surprise that they're putting out so much drivel. The Daily *cough* Mail still like to think of themselves as serious and authentic journalists but the reason the website is so littered with shit is that they have to find ways of monetizing their website - can't live on the newspapers they print alone. And sensationalist, vacuous crap you wouldn't want to wipe you arse on sells well.

I like how a lot of the Scottish tokens show the city arms. Nice uniface piece!! Is the reverse making reference to any particular figure?? From the death covered mountains of Scotia he come. What a legend. There was a Richard I penny, class IVa that is Ex. W. J. Conte that I missed. It got bid up to near £500 so too much anyway for me. I missed out on an Henry III penny 1b at London (again!). They raised the estimate this time around and it wasn't as good as the last and I was being way too tight-fisted in my pre-bids -- But actually I don't think it was a very good sale on the whole. Anyone agree? That was the one I came second on. As a Richard I it was very good, but when a bid of 460 is nearly 600 with the juice and postage then, well, they aren't that rare and the obverse was slightly double struck. Never mind, another will come along. Apart from that, I was underwhelmed with the offerings. I thought it would do pretty well that one Rob. The last DNW sale wasn't very good either but a couple of the early pennies were very aggressively bid up.

I like how a lot of the Scottish tokens show the city arms. Nice uniface piece!! Is the reverse making reference to any particular figure?? From the death covered mountains of Scotia he come. What a legend. There was a Richard I penny, class IVa that is Ex. W. J. Conte that I missed. It got bid up to near £500 so too much anyway for me. I missed out on an Henry III penny 1b at London (again!). They raised the estimate this time around and it wasn't as good as the last and I was being way too tight-fisted in my pre-bids -- But actually I don't think it was a very good sale on the whole. Anyone agree?

Very common, a nice bit of copper.

I shouldn't comment without doing my research. Lost my rag at the idea that the finder should give them away when they have value to the market (and it's not as if the BM really needs another 5,000 coins is it)... but Ed Vaizey was at the Treasure Annual Report covering 2012. Meaning it's possible that he offered his thanks completely outside of the context of the hoard find. ..... "Jobless man set to waive his £1million hoard reward?" Really? I'm looking forward to this question being answered in the remainder of the article. "The jobless man who discovered a £1 million hoard of Anglo Saxon coins could hand over the hoard without a penny in return." I suppose he could. Wow. "Sources say jobless Mr Coleman is looking forward to the windfall and plans to share the profits with fellow detectorists from the Weekend Wanderers club." Oh, so actual sources are saying the complete opposite!? But perhaps as a hint to Mr Coleman, culture minister Ed Vaizey thanked previous finders for turning down rewards in the past Perhaps. I don't know. Were you there? In what context did he thank previous finders. Did it seem like he was trying to put pressure on Mr. Coleman? Thanks a bunch.

Out of order. They want the lot for nothing. Vaizey, the right honourable. Let the man have his fking reward.