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Welcome @SJo! That looks like post mint damage (PMD) to me. Someone messing around in a workshop.
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Although I do not collect them, I have found the British colonial coinage fascinating over the years. Here are a couple that I still have the pics for:
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When you posted your query, I did not even notice the lack of H! Very well done for finding one of those. How long have you had it? £6 is a stunning bargain. As to grading - I am not probably the best person to quote as I tend to be old-fashioned and grade harsher than most modern dealers. For example, I would not agree with the London Coins grading of the other example. I would give that only F on the obverse and a nVF on the reverse. On that basis, yours would grade aF or F both sides, with the scratches noted as details. But what the heck, I would forgive any grade to have an example in my collection! I prefer to grade on Rob's basis - "Acceptable" or "Not Acceptable".
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Experiments with verdigris treatment
Paddy replied to david.bordeaux's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
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I have seen plenty of both 2023 and 2025 £1 coins, though less recently, so maybe the Ebay hype is getting to people. Now if you found a 2024 £1, or indeed any 2024 GB coins in circulation, that would be well worth reporting!
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Wreath Crown - Horrible Discolouration
Paddy replied to Coys55's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
If any plastic is still adhering to the coin, then Acetone will probably clear it and you can then review progress. It won't do any harm. -
I think it is a half crown rather than a shilling, but for that the weight should be 15.05g, so still light and therefore dubious.
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Sorry @Coys55 my comments were not aimed at you but responding to @ColdHands more general comments on patronising responses from some old hands. I think sometimes our posts can be interpreted as more critical than they were intended! I would be interested if the "legal tender" definition could be used to reduce the CGT burden, although I expect that battle will be down to my descendants in my case.
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I recognise the problem and try to be as straightforward as possible when responding to newbie queries. I try to think back to when I was the newbie and how daft some of my questions must have seemed to the old and bold here! It is easy, when you know a lot about a subject, to be patronising to the less well informed, but unless the new collectors are encouraged, the hobby will just die out. Bear in mind that for every patronising comment made, there are many more here who are supportive and encouraging. As to your query on legal tender - if I knew the answer I would be happy to give it!
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Not entirely. If the coin is sufficiently rare, they will fake an apparently well worn/used coin with patina to fool the collectors. Classic example is the 1850 Shilling, which is mega rare. A few years back a Chinese seller was touting a load of them at £10 each. All appeared well worn and convincing, each substantially different. This seller made it clear they were copies, but the unscrupulous could buy one and pass it off as genuine. On Ebay, the history of the seller is the most important factor, as you have pointed out before. In other auctions, for rare coins ask the auction house for provenance, and view even that with a jaundiced eye. There are now many coins in private collections that are fake because the collector was conned when he/she bought it. As they all say: "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is".
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The typos keep coming! I think you mean 1696, not 1996! I knew what you meant the first time, so I didn't comment.
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Circulation damage I would say.
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Faked coins are made both in Silver and in base metal. In some ways the base metal ones are easier to spot as a simple silver test gives them away. 19th century coins are much faked and the "best" of them are very difficult to spot. There was a discussion on here several years ago about 1818 Half Crowns. A number of apparently excellent condition examples turned up in quick succession. They were all fakes, but the only sure way to spot them is that they all had identical dents and marks! As to the auction houses to avoid - impossible to say. Even the best houses have been caught with fakes in the past.
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Forum loads vee. e. .. ery slow ..ow ..ly.
Paddy replied to ColdHands's topic in Forum technical help and support
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Yes, @wlewisiii has it right I think. They were made in huge numbers during the 19th century. Most of the British Indian coins of that period feature the Gothic portrait of Queen Victoria. In that condition only of interest rather than value. Even high grade examples don't go for a great deal of money.
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I picked up this interesting piece of information from a local historian. He is a buff on the Fortescue family of Castle Hill North Devon, and when he heard I was into coins he was keen to tell me that one of the Fortescue family was used as the model for Britannia on the Edward VII Florins and British Trade Dollars. He has now provided me with a copy of a talk he gave on the subject. I attach a screen shot of the relevant paragraph, but if anyone wants the full talk, PM me and I can send it in .pdf format. Of course I only have his word for it! If anyone knows any different, please let me know.
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1723 SSC sixpence - 3 over something?
Paddy replied to Paddy's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
That could be a good shout. My 1723 shilling has damage just at the critical point, but here is the 3 from my much better half crown. I can see that the sixpence 3 appearance could be due to a chunk missing. -
1849 1 Florin - Victoria 1st portrait; 'Godless' type
Paddy replied to Citizen H's topic in Free for all
Here is my best example of the later Vic florins - 1852 - for comparison. Shame about the scratches due some previous owner's over zealous cleaning. As is so often the case, they are far less visible in hand - the camera seems to pick them up. -
My favourite coin in my collection would be the Gothic Crown, but I have posted that many times before. Second favourite is much more difficult as there are many candidates, but this one is high on the list - 1723 SSC Crown. You see the shillings all the time, but the Crowns are much scarcer.
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Advertising Token - Beecroft and Sons toy shop Token
Paddy replied to Citizen H's topic in Free for all
Interesting token. I suspect this would come under the heading "Gaming Token" as it loosely resembles the Guineas and half Guineas from the 18th century. Many gaming tokens included advertising on the reverse, though usually a little more subtle than that one! Probably struck in brass and originally gilded. -
Charles II (1st bust) 1 Crown How would you grade this?
Paddy replied to Citizen H's topic in Free for all
I think I would have to give a split grading - "aF" on the obverse but "nVF" on the reverse.