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Yes, 1st coinage shilling with bust 2 and thistle mintmark S2646 👍

This is an example of crown and key over crown on gold!

I can’t see any evidence of this being “key over crown,” it just looks like a plain key to me (maybe a close-up of the obverse key would clarify?). I don’t know of any web resource, you might have to start buying a book or two. Here’s the mint marks for James I taken from the SCBC, which would be a good start! You can buy this for around £30 + postage from a dealer on here if you want one? https://rpcoins.co.uk/collections/catalogues-s-z/products/coin-of-england-2025-pre-decimal

Mintmark is the key, as you say, making it 2nd coinage and dating it 1609-10 It looks like the 5th bust to me so S2656 In that grade I’d say £40-£50

What? NO interest? O’ baaaah blinkin’ humbug, Mr Peckris!

Nice bit of history! Quite shocking that such a thing could happen, and the strength of feeling that 60,000 could gather together like that, without social media! IMHO both coins are again in the £25-£30 bracket.

Ahhhh, campanology…I had a spell of this in my local village during my twenties. Such a wonderful and ancient sound, it makes my soul sing to hear those time-honoured peels across the English countryside.

It is…but it’s totally unnecessary I think to see the tone carelessly removed from the high spots, especially for a coin of such prestige! I see it all the time on lesser coins, where I can imagine someone has ‘pulled’ a coin across a surface to pick it up, rather than ‘hook’ it up (more difficult to do with hammered, of course). I discovered, quite by accident, that one of the worst offenders is the grey ‘neutral’ boards that come with cameras nowadays, they are comparable to 1000 grit sandpaper when a coin is dragged off it. Many coins are horribly scarred this way (I attach an example).

Apologies I missed this one! Seeing this up close, now confirms for me it’s a contemporary counterfeit! The lis, lions, mintmark and lettering are all wrong for type. It would’ve turned numismatics on its head if it was 1571 with eglantine All the same it’s probably worth the same as the genuine article, and much more interesting on account of it.

Agree with Copper.

Portcullis mintmark on the Elizabeth sixpence…not the commonest of the Elizabeth 6d marks and a better grade 👍

That is to say £15-£30ish each, not all three together Top to bottom £28-30 £20 £15-20 And as Sword says, not junk, rather a great bit of history.

Yes, both are Elizabeth sixpences. The 1591 is mintmark Hand, and the other is mintmark Eglantine, which should date it 1573-1577. Your photos aren’t clear enough to see what’s going on with the last digit of the date, but it shouldn’t be 1571, as that would make it mintmark castle? A clearer close up of the date and mintmark would be interesting. edit: all three sixpences in the £15-£30 bracket

Just looking back over your last 5 or so coins, I don’t think any of them are worth more than £20. A great and varied selection, however, and it sounds like you’re enjoying the research into them.

I was just going to say…Ed III Halfgroat, the obverse congestion of devices the decider for me but, as said, it’s clipped. The second is a class 10 Edward I Penny 1300-1310. This class merges with the coinage of Edward II (1307) a little bit, though numismatically his coinage is agreed to commence at class 11.

Not so good for those with coins in the sale, though…still some images pending, even now at this late hour.

You can narrow down the period 1217/18 - 1242 of class 7 even further by looking at the sub-classes. There’s a lot of information on the link I shared, especially for class 7 (more at the bottom of the classification page if you scroll down). As a head start, yours has the squared-top A, ruling out class 7a, which leaves you with classes 7b and 7c to look at - enjoy!

The correct orientation of the obverse is as shown, with the arrow passing more or less through the centre of the bust (the coin is struck off-centre) - the triangular set of pellets represent the crown.

Henry III short cross coinage class 7 moneyer is Ioan Chic of Canterbury Take a look at the below website (look under coins & jetons), you can learn a lot from trying to narrow down an ID for yourself, it’s worth the effort https://www.rodblunt.com/

It’s the new way, Rob, bury it down a road no one can find…I often have to google how to sign out of things, nowadays, they really don’t like you signing out!

Here’s a brief explanation of the new Buyer Fees & upcoming obligatory use of their postage system on eBay, taken from the first article I stumbled across on Google. “From next month a fee will be included in the item price when buying from a private seller. Buyers will pay up to 4% of the item price, plus an extra 75p. For example, if they see an item listed for £20 the fee of £1.49 will already be part of the price. The fee will be lower on higher-priced items of more than £300 and there will be a cap on the total amount they will pay. This means that buyers who are purchasing lower-value items may end up paying a higher percentage of the item’s total cost in fees than those who make bigger purchases. Ebay customers will need to start buying their postage through the website at some point this year under new plans from the platform. Private sellers will have to use eBay’s “simple delivery managed shipping” system by the end of the first quarter this year. This means sellers must confirm a parcel size and eBay will arrange the shipping at what it calls "competitive rates". But it is understood eBay is expanding this across all listings on an "opt out" basis over the next few months. It will then make it compulsory in early 2025.“ (doesn’t say whether this includes business sellers, anyone know?) This in some way answers an earlier question about whether to sell under a business account or a private seller account! The compulsory use of their in-house postage scheme is going to be a killer for all accounts affected…we already know how the global shipping program finished off a lot of the purchases from overseas, on account of the outrageous charges to the buyer. Another nail I’m afraid!

Thanks for looking into this for us, MM, much appreciated 👍

Welcome aboard 👍

That is just crazy, isn’t it! What a farce! The coins I’m interested in would be very popular if bidders could browse the images in good time…it really isn’t good enough to put the pictures up in the final hours of the sale.

This is just so frustrating! Wherever I look, ‘image pending!’ Download their catalogue…’image pending!’ On the app…’image pending!’ Why can’t they see this for themselves and resolve it?