Coinery

It is…but it’s totally unnecessary I think to see the tone carelessly removed from the high spots, especially for a coin of such prestige! I see it all the time on lesser coins, where I can imagine someone has ‘pulled’ a coin across a surface to pick it up, rather than ‘hook’ it up (more difficult to do with hammered, of course). I discovered, quite by accident, that one of the worst offenders is the grey ‘neutral’ boards that come with cameras nowadays, they are comparable to 1000 grit sandpaper when a coin is dragged off it. Many coins are horribly scarred this way (I attach an example).

Apologies I missed this one! Seeing this up close, now confirms for me it’s a contemporary counterfeit! The lis, lions, mintmark and lettering are all wrong for type. It would’ve turned numismatics on its head if it was 1571 with eglantine All the same it’s probably worth the same as the genuine article, and much more interesting on account of it.

Agree with Copper.

Portcullis mintmark on the Elizabeth sixpence…not the commonest of the Elizabeth 6d marks and a better grade 👍

That is to say £15-£30ish each, not all three together Top to bottom £28-30 £20 £15-20 And as Sword says, not junk, rather a great bit of history.

Yes, both are Elizabeth sixpences. The 1591 is mintmark Hand, and the other is mintmark Eglantine, which should date it 1573-1577. Your photos aren’t clear enough to see what’s going on with the last digit of the date, but it shouldn’t be 1571, as that would make it mintmark castle? A clearer close up of the date and mintmark would be interesting. edit: all three sixpences in the £15-£30 bracket

Just looking back over your last 5 or so coins, I don’t think any of them are worth more than £20. A great and varied selection, however, and it sounds like you’re enjoying the research into them.

I was just going to say…Ed III Halfgroat, the obverse congestion of devices the decider for me but, as said, it’s clipped. The second is a class 10 Edward I Penny 1300-1310. This class merges with the coinage of Edward II (1307) a little bit, though numismatically his coinage is agreed to commence at class 11.

Not so good for those with coins in the sale, though…still some images pending, even now at this late hour.

You can narrow down the period 1217/18 - 1242 of class 7 even further by looking at the sub-classes. There’s a lot of information on the link I shared, especially for class 7 (more at the bottom of the classification page if you scroll down). As a head start, yours has the squared-top A, ruling out class 7a, which leaves you with classes 7b and 7c to look at - enjoy!

The correct orientation of the obverse is as shown, with the arrow passing more or less through the centre of the bust (the coin is struck off-centre) - the triangular set of pellets represent the crown.

Henry III short cross coinage class 7 moneyer is Ioan Chic of Canterbury Take a look at the below website (look under coins & jetons), you can learn a lot from trying to narrow down an ID for yourself, it’s worth the effort https://www.rodblunt.com/

It’s the new way, Rob, bury it down a road no one can find…I often have to google how to sign out of things, nowadays, they really don’t like you signing out!

Here’s a brief explanation of the new Buyer Fees & upcoming obligatory use of their postage system on eBay, taken from the first article I stumbled across on Google. “From next month a fee will be included in the item price when buying from a private seller. Buyers will pay up to 4% of the item price, plus an extra 75p. For example, if they see an item listed for £20 the fee of £1.49 will already be part of the price. The fee will be lower on higher-priced items of more than £300 and there will be a cap on the total amount they will pay. This means that buyers who are purchasing lower-value items may end up paying a higher percentage of the item’s total cost in fees than those who make bigger purchases. Ebay customers will need to start buying their postage through the website at some point this year under new plans from the platform. Private sellers will have to use eBay’s “simple delivery managed shipping” system by the end of the first quarter this year. This means sellers must confirm a parcel size and eBay will arrange the shipping at what it calls "competitive rates". But it is understood eBay is expanding this across all listings on an "opt out" basis over the next few months. It will then make it compulsory in early 2025.“ (doesn’t say whether this includes business sellers, anyone know?) This in some way answers an earlier question about whether to sell under a business account or a private seller account! The compulsory use of their in-house postage scheme is going to be a killer for all accounts affected…we already know how the global shipping program finished off a lot of the purchases from overseas, on account of the outrageous charges to the buyer. Another nail I’m afraid!

Thanks for looking into this for us, MM, much appreciated 👍

Welcome aboard 👍

That is just crazy, isn’t it! What a farce! The coins I’m interested in would be very popular if bidders could browse the images in good time…it really isn’t good enough to put the pictures up in the final hours of the sale.

This is just so frustrating! Wherever I look, ‘image pending!’ Download their catalogue…’image pending!’ On the app…’image pending!’ Why can’t they see this for themselves and resolve it?

HMRC are really helpful, but I would definitely do it big of digging around myself, first, or be extremely clear about what information was being divulged…gate after horse and all that for some of the more serious hobbyists?

No, not at all, but what you said was different…you said you were buying and selling to upgrade your collection (this is the fun bit and what it’s all about, of course, and I’m 100% with you on this) which, in the strictest sense of the word, is trading and making profit. If you imagine 2 different people being given an antique vase each, and one individual sells his for profit and buys a more valuable one and then repeats and buys two…at the end of the year he has 100 vases and sticks with that, now taking any profit as a wage. The other person, however, just keeps buying and investing in more stock, never releasing the profits as a wage when he gets to 100 vases, but continues instead to build his inventory, now having 1,000 vases. Both have been traders and making the same profit, only one has not drawn a salary…you and I, and many other coin collectors, fall into this second ‘trading’ category. Of course, some of us just use our already taxed income to buy/hoard more and more coins, this is clearly different. But HMRC would still want a slice of the pie as capital gains, if there were any due, unless they were dispersed with knowledge of the tax laws. It’s a minefield and I don’t profess to know a thing about it…the reason I raise these questions here.

I know what you’re saying, Dave, but wouldn’t the sale of 4.5k’s worth of coins to build your own private collection/asset translate as business/stock? TBH it’s this very point, in combination with HMRC’s clampdown on online sellers, that’s made me rethink re-registering as a sole trader, just to keep everything above board. As a hobbyist the profits won’t be massive, especially after writing off all the expenses, but it could save a whole lot of hassle in the future? Of course, to sell, or not to sell, on a private or business eBay account is another dilemma…will they be pursuing private sellers for ‘unpaid’ business seller fees in the future? This is my main quandary right now!

Not sure, Dave, I don’t think it’s very much?

I don’t think it’s started, yet, because eBay also have to inform the seller that the figures are being released to HMRC, as I understand it. Also, multiple accounts won’t work, unless you register at different addresses, phone numbers, emails, IP addresses, etc. etc…they can already link accounts and family accounts for shilling practices. PS I don’t mean hiding as a private seller from HMRC, I mean will eBay be successful in pursuing those who are revealed as ‘traders’ by HMRC for avoiding their fees by masquerading under a private seller account?

With the current position that private sellers pay no fees, whilst business sellers continue with the standard 10% (approx), what’s the incentive to ‘go straight’ as a business? Unless… There’s this new upcoming position where eBay are soon to be reporting the figures of ‘qualifying’ private sellers to HMRC for tax purposes. I wonder therefore whether eBay will be coming back at the private sellers for their lost commission on past sales, if they can evidence, along with HMRC, that trading has taken place? Any thoughts?

Yes, I agree that yours example is not Lockett, his hand is very different…a convenient example of Lockett’s hand in my Elizabeth ticket at the start of this page. I do however agree your ticket is the same hand as the OP ticket, the top loop on a couple letters and the 164- of the date an absolute double.