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Yes pretty cool error. It is a die brake, the ones on the edge are sometimes refereed to as a die cud.

Check out this link you might find it useful: http://www.coinsgb.com/Grading.html Grading is a bit of an art form and can take years to master. It can vary from coin to coin depending on type and date etc. A good bit of advice I would give would be to keep an eye out on reputable auction house listings to see how they are grading coins until you start to develop an eye for it. Alternatively look at reputable dealers lists and pictures on line and study the coins to understand how they came about the grade. The highest points wear first but sometimes you have to take into account the softness of a strike. P.S. I have come a long way but don't profess to have mastered it yet.

Welcome to the forum and some sterling advice from Peter. I would recommend buying some books reading and trying to learn to grade. I would also recommend buying from respected dealers or if buying from ebay don't take much notice of most peoples grading as 9 times out of 10 they are over grading the coins. As for the link to the Sovereign it has been harshly cleaned and no where near Unc. Only really worth bullion value.

Id be interested. Someone on here might be able to tell you more about them as well.

I agree with Chris and Peter but you never know. Do you have a set of digital scales you can weigh it on? and a picture would help.

What effect the internet is having on our coin collecting habits? Well I've noticed that buying gold coins for my World gold collection has became a lot more expensive. Makes me wish I started many years ago. It seems due to banks and the economic situation the whole World has gone gold daft, which has had a knock on effect on gold coins. Fractional farthings haven't went up a big deal, which is good for me. Are prices moving due to supply and demand or dealers understand that the market has a number of new collectors that do not understand our grading which opens a new window of opportunity? I don't know how much the prices for other coins have changed as I haven't followed them but like anything else its down to supply and demand. Obviously unless some hoarded coins are found there aren't going to be an abundance of nice grade older coins and the more people wanting to own one means the prices will rise. I guess the freedom and communication capabilities of the internet have helped, it has brought to the market more coins and collectors from oversees. What is really driving prices the lack of material or dealers? The dealers play their part but again its mainly down to supply and demand. I also think there are more investors entering the coin market. Banks have fell out of favour and people are looking for new places to invest in. Hus

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Apparently according to Robert Matthews (former Queen's Assay Master at the Royal Mint.) Who posted about it over on my forum: "It ... included precious metal alloy coins and their replacement alloys e.g. cupro-nickel." I always thought it was only done for gold and silver coins.

It reads: When folded up on the front first picture: Order in Council for the Tryal of the Pix of the mint dated the 9th of March 1836 ~ Front page At the Court at St. James's the 9th of March 1836 Present The Kings most Excellent Majesty in council It is this day ordered by His Majesty in council. that the Lords of His Majesty's Most Honourable Privy council do meet at His Majesty's exchequer at Westminster on Thursday the 24th of this instant March at ten o'clock in the forenoon for the Trial of His Majesty's Coins in the Pix of the mint; and the Right Honourable the Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain and Ireland is to require the wardens and company of goldsmiths to give attendance on their Lordships at the place aforesaid; and the Second page The Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury are to direct the Warden Master Worker and Commissioners of His Majesty's Mint with the officers therein concerned to be present. I cannot decipher the signature

"No coin whatever is issued from the Mint until a portion of it has been assayed by the Queen's assayer. When that process has been gone through, one coin of each denomination is placed in a pix, or casket, sealed with three seals, and secured with three locks, the keys being separately kept by the Master of the Mint, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the Queen's assayer; the pieces of coin so secured are given to a jury to assay and compare with the trial plates which are kept in the ancient treasury in the cloisters of Westminster Abbey, the keys of which and of the pix in which the trial plates are deposited are in the custody of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Lords of the Treasury. The process of comparison is called the trial of the pix." Peter Cunningham, Hand-Book of London, 1850 I recently purchased a manuscript referring to the trial of the pix dated 9th of March 1836.

I am with Rob as well, even though its not a good picture it appears to be TB, TB both sides.

Thanks azda. I think its mentioned in Krause but there is no mintage given.

My only concern would be is it genuine? It looks good but the toning doesn't look quite right to me, although this could be the picture. With the recent amount of better copies coming out of China I would be cautious. Do you have a set of digital scales? have you weighed it? If it is genuine the unnamed dealers offer was a joke.

Thanks for the link azda. I don't collect German coins or medals specifically, I collect world gold coins and medals. I just really liked the look of the Von Hindenburg medal. Could you post a picture of it for me on that forum asking if anyone knows the mintage for these? As for the Krause DVD's and CD's I think there will be a few pirate copies out there but I was also told that you can download the originals to your hard drive and then you don't need to use the discs. If this is true I can see why some might sell them. The only problem I can think of is if your computer gets knackered and you need to format the hard drive you will loose the information.

Thanks Chris. I think its mentioned in Krause but no mintage figures given.

My latest purchase for my World gold coin and medal collection: Mint Year: 1928 Condition: Proof Engraver: J. Bernhart. Material: Gold (.750) ASW 0.171 Oz Diameter: 23mm Weight: 6.48gm I was wondering if anyone had a mintage figure for these? Chris your in Germany do you know of any reference material for these? The seller mentioned Reference: Bruce: X6.???

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My thoughts as well. If it was intentional it certainly seems to have worked as most of the public are checking their change and I'm sure it has laid the paving stones for new collectors. As for errors I guess I like them because they are interesting. Each one tells a story and even though they aren't perfect that's the whole point. You can easily pick up say a standard bun head penny's but to find say a brockage one is a little harder as they shouldn't have made it out of the mint. Why do people collect varieties? It's might be to complete a type set granted but its also the thrill of the hunt and to own something most other collectors don't have. They are also a great talking point when showed to others. With the likes of brockages if you like the design of a certain side of a coin you get two for your money

I used to but sold of most of my errors to fund my world gold collection. Below is the part of my website I wrote in regards to error coins which some might find of interest: http://www.coinsgb.com/Error_Coins/Error_coins.html

I can honestly put my hand on heart and say I've made more money selling coins then I've lost and I truly believe if I sold my collection I would make a profit, but I always try and buy coins with nice eye appeal and tend to stay away from problem coins. I am quite picky when it comes to buying in both quality and price (although there is the odd occasion when I really want a coin and my heart wins over my head). If you have been collecting for a while and you've seen the good the bad and the ugly and you choose coins that look nice to you the chances are when you come to sell them they will also appeal to others and thus will be easier to sell and perhaps will obtain a better price. I agree with with Chingford in that the easiest way to make money in coins is to find a rare variety but that is hard to do on internet as someone else has probably spotted it and if its on an auction site it will most likely be bided up. Although I've had a couple of nice finds they are few and far in between so if you are in it for purely the "investment" you could be out of luck. I think its safe to say that most of us (or our nearest and dearest) would like to make some money when the time comes to pass our coins onto new collectors, after all the coins will still be here when were gone. It all depends how long a time frame you want to make the money in. If you buy a coin and sell it after a long time ie 20 years chances are you will sell it for more then you purchased it but will it have made a good return on your money? Typically higher grade coins or rarer varieties (as long as more aren't discovered, you don't pay over the odds in the first place, or they fall out of favour) tend to do better as a form of investment. If you want to make money over a short period of time then you have your work cut out for you. To do this you obviously need to buy low and sell higher, which is harder then it sound (have you ever watched Bargain Hunt ). Dealers know their market, know how much they can pay for a coin and have an idea of how quick they can sell it and for how much but that is also why they usually have to pay below book price when buying, so the successful ones tend to do well over shorter term "investments". The "investors" that will make the big money or that stand the biggest chance of making money are the ones that spend big and buy the best. The "Millennia Collection" auction comes to mind. Like most things since there is money to be made in coins you will get people that don't know much about them wanting to invest and like anything else some will make money and some will loose. I remember a while back noticing an advert for Noble Investments (UK) in Coin News offering to help guide new collectors with their purchases and assist investors which I believe they still do. I guess there are three types of collectors. The investors. The people that collect for fun. The higher end collectors or combination of the above two. I think most of us will start of as the fun collector. Over time you will spend more and more money and try to buy better and better coins for your sets or collection type and sooner or latter whether you like it or not you will have one foot over the investor line. I also think its safe to say once you have a fair bit of money tied into coins then they do become an investment whether its directly planned or indirect. At the end of the day if you collect coins as a hobby and you enjoy collecting for whatever various reason/s then the investment part will only really an after consideration if at all. Most of us build sets or collect certain types of coins because we want to (as a challenge, because we appreciate the designs, because they mean something to us..) and not because we think they are going to be a good investment.

Hard to tell. They are rare but it is most likely not unique as once a coin has stuck onto the die the subsequent coins will be brockages. This will continue until the coin stuck on the die (capped die error or die cap error) 2005 Penny Die Cap Error coin falls off or is pulled of by the mint employee. Most cases these capped dies are pulled off and are even rarer as the only way they make it into circulation is if they are kept by the mint employee. Back to the brockages they are also rare as they need to pass through the system and make it into circulation. I personally would much rather have your error then one of these dateless 20p, but its all about supply and demand and if you can find two or more bidders that wont it at that time. Errors are often hard to value as they aren't often seen and they can vary quite a bit from error to error even for the same types. I used to collect British errors but I sold most of them off to focus on world gold coin but I do find errors interesting. If you want to read more about error visit the error section of my site: http://www.coinsgb.com/Error_Coins/Error_coins.html