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Thats cos you're in Wales boyo, although i did stay in the Rhondda valley for a while, near Tonypandy

A close relative of Grade Creep. Hello everyone, I reappear. Christ, the reserection

Here's an example of an overdate. Its my 1848/7 Penny, in fact most of the date has been redone

Myth number 6 may interest you and other bronze collectors MYTH NO. 6: A coin can't deteriorate once it is encapsulated in a slab. On the contrary, the deterioration of coins--even when housed in slabs--is a source of growing concern and represents a problem that's likely to occupy us increasingly over the next several years. NGC conducted some very intriguing age-acceleration simulations in which coins that were sonically sealed in tamper-resistant holders had their age accelerated by decades. The results proved unsatisfactory, at least in terms of copper coins: The coins actually deteriorated while they were in the holders. I have seen a number of copper coins in PCGS holders which actually broke out in spots while in the holders. There's really no way that a coin can be completely protected against environmental variables, whether it's in a slab or otherwise. We have seen a number of cases where moisture in the air permeated the holders, as well as other cases where coins made of highly susceptible and vulnerable metals such as copper were, in a sense, choking in their holders--trapped inside with airborne particulate matter which was causing the coins to deteriorate. Because copper coins are so susceptible to damage and deterioration, NGC does not guarantee the grades it assigns to them, as it does with coins produced in other metals. PCGS does guarantee the grades of copper coins--but I have seen no difference in the way these coins deteriorate while encapsulated, whether the holders came from one service or the other. This is a real problem, one I sense we'll have to address more urgently over the next several years as coins that are susceptible grow older in holders and their deterioration becomes more apparent.

if that what they mean by line under thanks. seen loads of them must be the ones without the line i need My apologies

I assume you mean this one?

Thats a no bad coin Steve, we could open an 1863 penny shop along with Jay i like mine with a bit of toning old bean i got the joke though

Don't give up Jay, its normally people like you with a bag full of coins who have something thats rare who don't realise it. We were only teasing the newbie, so, welcome to the forum, what else ya got?

Show off.

Just as a comparison Jay, here's my 1863 Penny

Try Colin Goode at aboutfarthings.com he's also a member of this forum

He means the CGS numbered grading system Peck

Firstly, welcome to the forum. I'll try and answer a few of your questions best i can, others may have a different view. have a battle of Britain peidfont in f- vf condition looks like it was broke out of a set book price states @ £50-£70? Is this right. (My assumption that the price guide is for Proof, you state yours is F/VF condition so perhaps bullion value) have a 1 penny in vf condition from Africa are they rare? (Date?) I have a coin that says one fourth of a shilling is this rare? (Date?) I have an old penny in heavy ware condition that is fixed to another penny (Many have been joined like this to make them look like a brockage error, brockages are rare, 2 joined together are'nt) I have an old 1800 and something gold coloured coin (1800 & something doesn't give anyone anything to go by, you have 70 years inbetween Geo III and IIII, a specific date)?

You're correct Peck, i just saw something on the curve of the 3 and thought i'd mention it

There's also something on the curve,on the outside

Definitely an open 3... I was the under bidder at £310 and rather hoped to get it. Now I wish I'd gone more as it's the best I've ever seen too, especially the obverse Have to agree Accumulator, nice OBV, not seen a better one as yet. This guy is stating that this is an open 3, i'm not so sure it is. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280667045407&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D280667045407%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

You could have got a 1903 yesterday on ebay, it sold for 350 quid although the seller might have shot himself in the foot saying it was EF when it was clearly VF or GVF. I will agree with most opinions, ´buy the best you can as its false economy to buy a worn coin then upgrade it later, also what 1949 said, the rarer coins you may have to buy at a lesser grade as the higher grades are outwith most peoples modest budgets, i recently sold a 1905 HC in GVF for 4 figures, and those prices won't drop, especially for the higher graded rarer dates.

and the other 2, 3d and 4d

Got this maundy set, 1717, in the legend "GOERGIVS" the S on all 3 coins looks like an 8, obviously something has been there, but has it been an 8?

Certainly good news. Lets hope they get on with all those copper discs from fleabay to

It should be here by Next weekend, easter holidays here Friday/Monday, so nothing moves in Germany, so i won't expect it until at least late Next week But what i was saying about the REV legend, its only REX that looks iffy, if it was so pixelated surely the rest of the legend would look the same, but to me at least it looks nö different, maybe i'm trying to convincr myself here but i went for it on the strength of a normal gallery pic and not an enlarged one. Will have to wait on its arrival.

That's the thread I was referring to, I have found Geo Iv 1825 & 1826 Pennies similar to the WIIII shown,

This is brilliant to lol http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220768216260&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570%26_nkw%3D220768216260%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

The original gallery picture, now look at the middle of the E, the left hand side, something is poking out, the X at the bottom, and the top of the R