Well there will always be exceptions here and there, and you were lucky, Dave. I also did say they existed in private collections. If you'd now like to point me in the right direction of where to look for an UNC 1864 crosslet 4, I'm listening I admit i was lucky, the only thing going against it was the Verd, but if you're patient enough (and with the internet at your fingertips) you will eventually find what you're looking for. I search world dealer sites, it does take a lot of your free time, but i have quite a few sites saved in my favourites and check back every month or so hoping they've refreshed their GB coins. I'm also considering looking for rarer coins now instead of a particular series, maybe slotting in the odd bunhead here and there if the right one comes along. I'm also collecting a few for the little guy, so now have double the costs. I have my eye on one just now, not a bunhead, but silver milled and quite rare in grades of VF and above, this one is AEF, i will get back to you IF or even if not i get it.