Peckris

Damn right. I was reflecting only today that the word 'inflammable' has virtually disappeared now leaving its bastard cousin 'flammable' as the only option.

The problem is that the minority (and that's what they are) of fraudsters, shysters and layabouts are the rope which the Government, The Daily Mail, The News Of The Screws, The Sun, The Star, ITV, and all the rest use to hang the genuinely sick & disabled. I'll put one more fact your way then I'll shut up on the matter (I've become way too sensitive to what's going on) : the fraud rate for DLA is less than 1%, and the total benefit fraud for IB and DLA amounts to £1.5bn. Ok, not a sum to be sniffed at, but when you consider that Count Dracula Osborne is cutting the welfare budget by £18bn, and that tax evaders cheat us all of more than £120bn annually ... well, it makes you think (I hope). Apologies for ranting but life for disabled people in this country just gets worse and worse.

My opinion is that it's something that has got onto the die - I really don't think it's an overstrike (for one thing the 'incorrect' bit is OVERlying not UNDERlying). But an interesting curio for all that.

what i find bizzare going from the ebay text is that apparently the only started minting pennies in 1893 I suspect it's a misprunt(sic). It should read 1983, though it could be later. 1983 ??? My god, we're full of misprunts !

Facts. 1. I'm disabled, so I know damn well what I'm about to talk about. 2. The welfare cuts are being driven by a Daily Mail-driven culture of attacking and vilifying the sick and disabled - and the Government does nothing to contradict this - i.e. "all people on Incapacity Benefit are either cheats, scroungers, and/or work-shy." 3. There is an organisation called Atos Healthcare who won a contract from the Government (starting under New Labour, by the way) with a brief to reduce the welfare budget by getting the numbers on IB down. Yes, the exercise was cost-driven, not needs-driven. Their so-called HealthCare Professionals have 6 weeks training, but apart from that are not required to have any medical qualification. These HCPs administer a series of 'tests' that involve getting people to stand up, walk, sit, and bend down to pick up a £1 coin off the floor. On the basis of these tests, many people who are blind, arthritic, with severe neurological illnesses, amputees, people with mental health problems, terminal patients, etc, have been declared 'fit for work'. No doubt you've read the scurrilous headlines in the press and tut tutted over your breakfast? 4. GPs and consultants, those who actually know the medical history of the patient, are ignored. They are regarded as 'biased', or 'too close' to the patient and God forbid that true knowledge be brought to bear on a cost-cutting exercise. 5. The exercise has so successfully exceeded initial Government targets (ignoring the fact that 40% of people declared 'fit for work' have the decision overturned by independent tribunal) that they now plan to implement it for the Disability Living Allowance (DLA) benefit too, as from 2013. So despite my being awarded DLA 'for life' ten years ago in recognition of the fact that I have a progressive, incurable, and irreversible condition, which means I now cannot walk, I piss into a bottle, I have spasms, and crippling fatigue, I must go through the humiliation of one of these assessments - two in fact, one for IB and one for DLA. I am "merely" very stressed about this, though there are a few claimants who have committed suicide. 6. David Cameron had a disabled son. Yet he goes along with this gross injustice, which makes him an unspeakable hypocrite. 7. Every disabled person thrown back on the jobs market is supposed to receive help and support back into work. Do you actually think they get it? Don't make me laugh. There aren't even jobs or jobs advisors for the young and fit who really should have priority for jobs. Ian Duncan-Smith has referred to the 'freedoms offered by work'. Perhaps he, and you, should reflect on the German phrase 'Arbeit Macht Frei'. In case you're wondering where you heard of that before, it was on the gates at Auschwitz.

You mean any government from 200 out of the last 250 years? Pretty much so. But as always, SIZE MATTERS That's true! By the way, did you know that the payment on the debts run up by John Major's government were higher than the current debt repayments? So much for 'Britain's credit card is overspent'

You mean any government from 200 out of the last 250 years?

Do bear in mind that some overstruck dates are quite obvious (that 1888/7 for example), others are obvious only when you know, or in higher grades (1865/3 penny) while some are almost invisible and need very high magnifications at reasonable grade, in order to see. There's no clear-cut rule, if you'll forgive the pun.

A date variation doesn't usually count as a die variety on its own, as the last one or two digits were usually punched into the matrix each year quite separately (though some people collect even these). What makes yours interesting is that the '8' looks different too - much narrower on the second example. Given that the matrix would probably have had the '18' already engraved, that could well signify as a die variety.

You can upload a picture from your computer as long as it's not >150k. There's an Attachments dialogue below each post when you're creating one.

From the condition of those offered for sale, it's absolutely clear that a fair few entered general circulation, so I did wonder if it was possible that some had been sent to banks in various parts of the country. Apparently not. Oh right. I've always assumed that a decent proportion of those million plus plastic sets got opened and raided. Funnily enough, the only penny from the 1950s I found a schoolboy 'bank bag checker' in the late 60s, was a solitary 1953 in AVF.

Anything pre-1947 has 50% silver content and therefore contains its value in silver. A few of those George VI shillings (1947 - 1951) look in high grade and would be worth a pound or two, though not rare. However, at that size, it's unclear whether they have lustre, or have been polished. If the latter, then worth virtually nothing I'm afraid.

The George V and pre-1947 George VI are 50% silver and would contain their metal value. Probably less than £1 each even at today's OTT silver values. The others contain a few reasonably high grade coins, but all of common dates. So sadly, no not very much at all. Sorry.

There are pictures of his body and a video of his burial. However he was not an active commander and he wasn't doing much - killing him just got AQ very pissed off. Apparently the pictures of his dead body (head) are so gruesome that they can't show them in the media, plus it might inflame tensions. One radio interviewee said they should make them available to the media at a separate showing so the media can verify the matter, but wouldn't be allowed to publish. Yeah, allegedly they shot him in the eye first before shooting him through the heart. But I think he's still alive ~ probably in a top secret military facility somewhere. ... along with Lee Harvey Oswald, several Roswell aliens, the entire crews of every plane and ship that vanished in the "Bermuda Triangle", and Dubya's secret orders that sparked the attack on the Twin Towers

Wow, several hundred 1954s? I wonder if that was a standard amount for a trial run? It would be fairly remarkable indeed if only one escaped. What prompted the 1953 question - I thought it was "common knowledge" (LOL) that they were only issued in the plastic packs? (Excluding proofs and the ultra-rare 'first reverse' pattern).

From your description of its width Pitprop (< 1948 6d) it wouldn't be a genuine 1823 £2 piece. What's its diameter? There were some very capable toy or model copies produced, it could be one of those? Post a picture, let's have a look.

Post a picture, Pitprop. Permit people to perceive in person.

Show off. lol - exactly what I was thinking! Nice penny though - Azda's that is... Sorry Jay, yours is a touch umm beaten up?! Nice rub with a bit of Duraglit and you could put a good shine on it. Probably make a extra grade with ease. Why??

My vote for the dullest varieties are the 4 types of 1937 penny, or is it 3 or 5... Apathy r Oh God yes - so exciting that no guide features them. And none is rarer than any of the others. YAAAAAWN.

There are pictures of his body and a video of his burial. However he was not an active commander and he wasn't doing much - killing him just got AQ very pissed off. Apparently the pictures of his dead body (head) are so gruesome that they can't show them in the media, plus it might inflame tensions. One radio interviewee said they should make them available to the media at a separate showing so the media can verify the matter, but wouldn't be allowed to publish.

The 3s may fit but what about the teeth, they are not in the same place. Good bit of Photoshopping Gary - that first picture shows (to me) how different the two 3's are. It's like the 1926ME obverse - hard to tell at first, but once you know them, they are clear as daylight.

Yes the diagonal milling is standard for 1806 currency pennies and halfpepnnies (which it could be - the size is the giveaway.) 1806 copper is quite plentiful, as it was a large issue of copper, the first pepnnies for 10 years, There's a lot about, and they only START to get a value above Fine condition. Damaged coins aren't worth very much, especially holes. You would be able to pick up an 1806 penny in Fine for a few pounds, a halfpenny for even less.

Everything depends on condition in this game. But your late dates aren't worth a great deal even in mint condition. The earlier sixpences might be worth a few pounds but ONLY if in strict mint condition. 1952s are scarce and worth a few quid in average condition. Scarce dates for silver 3ds are 1925, 26, 28, 30, but again, you'd need them in pretty near top condition. The halfcrowns look the most interesting - there weren't any minted in 1865 so that one would be VERY rare! Any dated before 1920 are full silver and worth their metal value in whatever condition. From 1920 to 1946 they're 50% silver and worth half silver value. But we would need to see pictures of them as without seeing the condition it's impossible to say what they're worth.

Its an extremely poor example of a 1863 bun penny and of negligable value. Back to work tomorrow I'm afraid. {Waits silently, without saying a word} . . . . . . . "Hey, do any of you guys see a die number below the date ... ?" "Where? Where?" "Just appearing out of the grot just below the 6 to the left a bit" "Oh God, yeah I see it!" "Nope sorry, guys, I don't see anything there" "Well *I* think it's there, but I wouldn't bet my life savings on it" "Hm, what does Gary say?"

You only have to look at the shape of the 2 in a 1902 penny to see the 3/2 theory is total oblox! I'll post some high res pictures later nuff sed! David I mostly work with 18th century coins but to me it looks as a wreak strike of the 3 punch corrected by hand. The same punch may come out quite differently due to the angle of the strike and later engraving. I'd have to disagree with this - if you study the two 1903 types, not only is the '3' a COMPLETELY different shape, but actually the whole date is different. The other numerals are essentially the same shape, but are more slender. They must have started even more slender as all 'open 3's are fairly worn and this would make the numerals look thicker. To me it's a whole different attempt to do the date, which didn't work.