Peckris

Welcome to the forum mtwc. I have recently found Warwick to be a lost cause for me and haven't bid for 3 sales now. Their low estimates aren't a problem for me, it's the inexplicable prices that are being achieved on low grade milled crap. I hope you enjoyed the ashes series (both of the last 2) as much as I did ;-) Just for Azda (that's cricket Dave, a game played by gentlemen, oh and Aussies) I'd rather watch Newcastle UTD than cricket, better still, watching paint dry would be more exciting Spoken like a true Scot! By the way, how did your tennis boy get on against the Spaniard?

Um, let me break this to you gently. If in average condition - metal value. A few of those might be worth a little bit more if in better than average condition : for example if the shillings for 1957 and 1959 are Scottish (single lion upright rather than 3 leopards couchant) and in EF or better they would be worth what we Brits call "a few quid" (literally - nothing to get excited about). Likewise if the two shillings dated in the 50s are in mint condition, they would be worth "a few quid", but I'm guessing they're not! Condition is everything with coins, then rarity, and popularity is also a runner. The only thing that puzzles me is the "Large Cents" - are they pennies? Do they (I'm guessing this might be an itsy-bitsy cluette here) have the words ONE PENNY on the reverse?

Steady on old chap - the sun's not yet over the yardarm!

Notice he hasn't actually shown us the CGS label ... Anyway, the coin has been 'basted' - what else do you expect?

I don't know sidcrampton, but I'd never trust the opinion of someone who's just bought the item! No-one wants to admit any failing in their judgement or purchase...

Agreed. T reverse is especially gorgeous with the lustre gone only from Britannia, giving a kind of 'frosted' look. But it's not nearly $900-gorgeous. Considering my A/Unc terracotta-finish cost me the princely sum of £25 from Dorset Coins ... i'll stick

I don't think there's a court in the land that would accept that description as anything other than a representation of 'originality', even without a specific statement to the effect. And the metal content is an outright lie. Indeed - replace 'Silver' with pewter, and 'Tudor period' with 1960's (or later!) you get something approaching the truth! I acknowledge what Peter says about caveat emptor, however if that's a 14 year old kid who's saved his (or her!) pocket money for their first big spend, they'll soon abandon numismatics if they get stung like that! Quite. Which makes eBay's dereliction of responsibility all the more irksome.

You're right, I very much doubt the coin would be a fake - who'd fake a 1917 penny? Looking forward to see the enlargement.

I'm unsure about the '8'. It definitely looks like an 8, but it's entirely possible that it's an accidental result of the acid damage. Can you take a photo enlargement of the date area, and upload it? As for the ghosting - yes, you're right. It's a common feature on that series of pennies. See my reply here : http://www.predecimal.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5941&pid=53490&st=0entry53490

Would that be like an A+++ seller !!! I'm not sure if it was American or what, but I did see a coin recently advertised as "About GVF+"

@@@@@ Oh yes. Hence the high prices. Roman is very easy by comparison. @@@@@ Mine aren't online except what I've posted in these forums. But, if the Tantalus grid is available to all users, then given time I could upload a representative selection to my own version of the grid. Do you have the URL, where we could get started?

Welcome to the forum knowsnowt What you've got there is a classic example of George V 'reverse ghosting'. This was a major problem on pennies, but could also be seen on halfpennies, shillings, and to a lesser extent on sixpences too. The problem existed hugely between 1911 and 1920. An obverse change in 1921 (shallower design) improved it but only a little. It had to wait for the Modified Effigy in 1926 for the problem to be (more or less) cured. The problem was caused by the large relief on the obverse (compared with Edward VII which used the same reverses but where the obverse was a much shallower design). The high relief - and the very small rim on the reverse - caused the metal to be 'sucked out' during the strike, a sort of displacement which caused a 'ghost' impression of the obverse portrait to appear on the reverse. A very unbalanced design, in other words. The halfcrown, by contrast, had a high relief reverse also, which prevented this from happening. The farthings and threepences were too small and had good reverse rims anyway.

You've been away from Blighty too long Dave! "So what's your point" is a kind of ironic statement that roughly translates as "What's new(s)?" or "That's stating the bleeding obvious surely?" or "What the hell else do you expect from a British summer?".

...and let's face it, Barack Obama isn't even Barack Obama Is Peck of African Carribean descent then? Are you swinging big guy? Not last time I looked in the mirror. But then, maybe Martin Platt had got to me first So was it cleaned again after the first sale, or is the startingly different appearance down to varying photographic takes ? Even several applications of "Photoshop Levels" wouldn't turn a normal very dark brown bun penny into a cleaned one. I'm guessing 'cleaned'..

Only in top grade. Not rare at all in average condition (Freeman 'N') I just sold a VF for a tenner. I think that's about right. Well good luck to you Declan! If you can get a tenner for a VF 'single exergue line' 1940, then more power to your elbow. Personally I think that's ... harrumph ... "optimistic" - I'd rate one in around EF for £10, and £50 for a BU (in line with Spink). Like I say, Freeman's estimate is between 1 - 2 million of the little bleeders. One of those mildly embarassing markups. Bought for £1.50 six months ago, sold for £10 yesterday. Oh, an eBay bidder, that explains everything! Listen, you can't be blamed for what some damn fool decides to pay Who knows, the same idiot Santa Claus might pay you £35 for that 1949 brass threepence!

I don't think there's a court in the land that would accept that description as anything other than a representation of 'originality', even without a specific statement to the effect. And the metal content is an outright lie.

Without a photo is very difficult to tell. Usually when you come across a penny that is slightly small in diameter and about half the normal thickness someone has been playing silly beggers and have partly disolved it in acid. Oh and welcome to the forum I've had a 1928 shilling for years which fits the same bill - very thin, lightwieght and in a poor condition. However, the 'poorness' is not remotely like normal wear, it's like a ghost image of the original but completely even with no parts more worn than others (on any normal coin you'd see flattening on the highest points first, and then a progressively uneven wear over time.) Someone long ago said it had probably been dipped (submersed!!) in acid.

Yes. So what's your point?

You mean all that cleaning he did was in vain? Lol, i don't think it was cleaned Peck, he just could'nt up the grade (like he normally does) because of the obvious wear. The original seller had it listed as AU am sure, 1949 had mentioned it to me sometime this year when we were talking about buying key dates and i said i did'nt agree with jmb4homes grade, it seems i was right, the wear on Britannians legs and on Victoria was evident from the original dark pictures from jmb4home You're kidding me!! The original pictures show a penny with a typical dark appearance for a bun penny. The relisted item is about three stops photographic exposure lighter and a pale orangey coppery colour! If that's not "cleaned up", or at the very least "paled up" then I'm Barrack Obama... No, you're not the only one Rob. See above - my original remark and now reply

Only in top grade. Not rare at all in average condition (Freeman 'N') I just sold a VF for a tenner. I think that's about right. Well good luck to you Declan! If you can get a tenner for a VF 'single exergue line' 1940, then more power to your elbow. Personally I think that's ... harrumph ... "optimistic" - I'd rate one in around EF for £10, and £50 for a BU (in line with Spink). Like I say, Freeman's estimate is between 1 - 2 million of the little bleeders.

As far as I know, not. There would be copyright issues for sure. Tony Clayton's site exists, but the values there are not the latest, current ones. It would be a good service, that's without doubt!, but it would have to be someone publishing their own researched coin prices / values to get around the copyright issues. Actually, I'd pay for a limited access to Spink's annual catalogue - let's say under £10 for the ability to look at up to 1,000 coin values. At the moment I get unlimited access for free at my local library!!

Well, I'm no big fan of hammered rasiel, but I really do like that layout. Can anyone use Tantalus to display their coins in a grid? As a milled English enthusiast I cast a critical eye over your bottom row. Some nice coins there - I think you should aim to upgrade your George V and William IV, which you could probably do quite cheaply (William farthing, George halfpenny or sixpence) - but you've certainly nailed Victoria and Edward VII ! I'd echo Dave's question - is it simply one coin of any denomination from each reign? I was thinking, what if you went for similar sized coins ? Hammered pennies are about the size of a sixpence or a farthing, so you'd be well placed for that. Just a thought.

You mean all that cleaning he did was in vain?

How do they know when a flight from England has arrived at Sydney Airport? The pilot turns the engines off but the whining noise continues.

Lets not forget the 1940 single exergue line, that is also scarce Only in top grade. Not rare at all in average condition (Freeman 'N')