1949threepence

Freeman gives virtually all the G5 & G6 proofs as R18 and all the E2s (bar 1953) as R19, which is patently wrong. As always, it is a case of guesstimating rarities because readers demand a number. Spadework is required to establish the relative rarities and numbers for each year. So where is your more accurate source ?

Freeman lists proof bronze pennies and halfpennies for 1939 at R18 ~ 6 to 15 estimated to be in existence.

5.10.15 6.12.18 2.2.22 22.22h (if you leave out leading zeros) 4.8.16 (number doubling)

Very, very nice. If that was a present, you certainly got your money's worth.

Hope so, Bob

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to youi ski, and indeed, to all on here. Have a great time

I recently came across a yellow 1864 penny. Unusual as all the other ones I've seen have been black:-

I am want to see your e mail, Tom

I'll send an email to Heritage later, I'm sure I read somewhere that they'll get raw coins slabbed for their auctions, could be wrong? The coin would be going just one way, then, with just one lot of post, and no import taxes! This is what the experiment's all about, I guess, finding these things out by hard-won experience! I'm going to send a couple of trial hammereds to them, so I need to 'mail them anyway! Let us know what they say, Stuart.

Our initial rush of enthusiasm meets reality. Never mind. I've got an 1888 MS65 slabbed bun penny, but unfortunately, I don't live anywhere near the agents.

Could always make it a £120 stake, I'll cover 1949 until the new year, if that's agreeable? Sounds good to me.

Count me in on this, Peter (or for another coin, you guys) ~ but I'm going to have to be £50 max as I'm virtually skint until new year having spent £775 on 3 new coins in the last month alone. ....and what with Christmas an all..... edit: could drop in £100 as soon as we reach new year and I get paid. Let me know.

Still with that weak strike on the hair though... Yeah, but you have to admit, looks orders of magnitude better than the Heritage specimen

Incidentally, scroll down to 1835 on this list Colin Cooke is selling a gem 1835 shilling for £375 ~ actually £337.50 until tomorrow, with the 10% Christmas discount applied. No mottling or stains on that coin. Absolutely the real deal. Wonder what MS grade that would get ? edit: I don't think it's been dipped.

Hmmm.....it's what it will sell for in the States once slabbed and with a high MS number attached to it, that seemingly counts the most, Peter. Obviously slabbed coins here, do not carry anything like the cache they do in the US. So whilst we remain unimpressed by slabs, they are highly sought after over the pond. A precursor of much higher prices across the board possibly ? I don't know. But it makes some of the coins we've obtained here, look quite low priced for what they are, to be honest. Slabbing rejections for various faults, notwithstanding.

Sorry, tell a lie. It is MS67 after all ~ was looking at the wrong bit. The right one is here Extraordinary. And it's sitting at $625 thats 385 GBP crazy coin world I'd have said £300 absolute tops, and even that would be generous given its appearance!!!

Sorry, tell a lie. It is MS67 after all ~ was looking at the wrong bit. The right one is here Extraordinary.

Anyway, I've found it on Heritage's website ~ here ........and it's MS64, not MS67. Still overgraded I reckon.

They also take into account "eye appeal", which makes Nick's sixpence an epic fail for MS67 Lmfao..........Eye appeal to earn a point or 4 woohoooooooo, no wonder the americans use petrol to enhance their coins then It's actually no more than a not very good looking NEF. That's the reality. If it's really been graded MS67, then something is not quite right IMO.

They also take into account "eye appeal", which makes Nick's sixpence an epic fail for MS67

Also, according to the criteria noted in this link an MS68 coin, just one grade higher than the one in this example, is one in 100,000 !!!

My guess was MS62 and given that Heritage have an auction estimate of $1250-$1750, it is well off my radar too. That's crazy, is there not significant wear to the hair or is that me? It looks as though there is, although as I said earlier, it's often difficult to tell from a pic. Certainly a rather mottled and unattractive looking coin. Not sure it reaches MS67 by these criteria There were major distractions in the form of mottling, and the fields looked far from flawless.

Assuming the obverse is in the same condition, then possibly AU55. But difficult to tell from the pic.

Well whatever the underlying reasons for its existence, I actually posted it purely for the technical write up on dipping, which for me, was the only relevant issue.

Most experienced collectors would spot the tell tale signs of a coin that has been dipped, as the "lustre" appears flat, and does not radiate from the surface in the same way that natural lustre does. Interesting article here