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The Royal MInt letter is of almost as much interest as the coin, especially as it's written and signed by the very knowledgeable Graham Dyer.

But paradoxically, such a manifestly idiotic statement just reflects back on the intellect of the writer.

At least it's very easy to spot, Chris. I'm looking for a 1940 with a single exergual line. If I spot a couple of decent 1946 O N E ', types I'll let you know !

I must confess, slabbing is not my thing, and the slabbed coins I've bought have soon been liberated from their plastic incarceration. However, if I were sending one to NGC for slabbing, and it was a distinct variety, I would add that to the details I sent along with the coin, with accompanying technical explanation and provenance. I honestly wouldn't expect or trust an American company to do that for me with regards to a British coin. I'm not even sure it's really their job to do so - after all, they are following the customer's wishes to a large extent. Although I'd imagine they are a lot hotter on the technicalities/varieties of US coins. If you buy a slabbed coin and it's got an incorrect variety attribution, I'd say that's down to the buyer's carelessness in not checking the pics properly first. I start from the standpoint that everybody I deal with is an idiot/charlatan/has defective eyesight/is careless, until proven otherwise. It's safer that way. I'd also follow the same process with LCGS, although I would anticipate them being more knowledgeable (although still far from infallible) on British coins.

No Ian. I thought it was an interesting one to post, but I wasn't that keen personally.

Crikey Pete, I never realised

Thanks ! It's quite strange why it should be so elusive in good nick, considering the high mintage. Possibly Pete, although the same isn't true of 1961, where arguably there was a 12 year gap.

Great. Thanks Pete, could you send me a pic?

As I've now virtually completed the Edward VII and George V series of pennies (with one or two notable exceptions) I decided I would buy the entire series of George VI currency issue pennies, in one go if possible, and so scanned e bay for worthy candidates. Bought the lot bar one, apart from distinguishing between the three 1937, and two 1940 Freeman types. Can do that later. Of course, with George VI, the prices are much, much lower than with previous reigns, and there's a plethora to choose from. This means you can pretty much take your pick. So I decided my criteria would not necessarily be to relentlessly pursue BU full lustre in every case, but instead concentrate on eye appeal and most importantly, obtaining issue free specimens. I managed this successfully, including 1950 and 1951, with one exception, the 1944. To be sure, there were a large number of 1944's available, but the quality was slightly disappointing. Another day for that one, and the different Freeman types, but overall very pleased. Just got to wait for them to arrive now. Hope there's no hitches in that direction.

The entire argument is nonsensical. The majority of young people from working class areas voted to leave, whereas older voters from middle class areas often voted to remain. If every young person under say 25, had voted to remain, and every older person over 60 had voted to leave, then the argument would make more logical sense. I think the argument is based on London, which is different from everywhere else.

Interesting one here

I don't know. Possibly. Obviously if the coin continues in circulation and loses its lustre, then the fingerprints will vanish with the lustre.

Classic rip off. Utter disgrace

"'ole in the wall" as a pub name - love it ! Thanks Mick.

Really interesting topic. How were these produced Mick? I have seen something similar in a fairground, where the punter stamps their own in a machine. But were the examples you show produced like that, or were they handed to customers, maybe with or without a coin inside them.

I've seen them, and sometimes wondered precisely what criteria NGC use in determining whether a coin is MS65. I know they reject them if they've got verdigris, but fingerprints? who knows. Of course, there's fingerprints and fingerprints. Some are much more obvious than others. I always assume they were made shortly after minting. But of course, they might be the result of more recent careless handling.

It was always amusing the way cashiers used to hold notes up to the light to check their veracity, but at the same time would accept and pass the commoner fake £1 coins without so much as a second glance.

I think you may be right Jerry. At any rate, I think I might keep out of it from now on. At least until something definite begins to happen. Can I just say, if I've had any disagreements with anybody, I don't think they've been too sharp, and it's definitely nothing personal. I like and respect everybody on here. If we were meeting in real life, we'd have a bit of a discussion about it, say how racked off we were with the entire thing, then have a drink and a laugh, and talk about coins or something else. Face to face never seems to get as personalised as it does in writing on a forum.

They were supposed to be uncrackable. Any fake £2 coins about?

Not quite "penny acquisition of the week" territory. But still I'm very pleased with this 1921 F191. Zero ghosting, very good breastplate detail, and very good hair detail to the King's head as well. Great value GEF completely issue free bargain for just £5.00 from e bay seller hollingtonmoss. A well above average specimen from the poorly struck ghosting period of George V.

Most people are saying "get on with it". They want closure, and I'd lay odds that the majority would have accepted May's deal as a reasonable compromise if it had gone through. At least we'd all see a way forward, and it would be delivering brexit. Albeit, not in its purest form.

I think it goes way beyond party politics. The public (on both sides) just want to see completion and an end to this farce. If Corbyn can be instrumental in achieving that, then he is likely to get kudos. Don;t forget a very sizeable chunk of Labour voters also voted leave. They're not satisfied at the moment, but they would have been if the deal had gone through and we were purring along towards a smooth brexit in 2020.

When you think about it, if Corbyn facilitates a soft deal going through, then he will look like the saviour, and May will have played right into his hands - whether by default or otherwise. I thought Rees-Mogg was at least an intelligent guy, but listening to what he said today about deliberately trying to sabotage EU initiatives if we do stand in the EU elections, I couldn't help thinking he was a bit of an idiot. Especially as he and his ilk have blown it as far as the original deal was concerned, which could have gone though to the relative satisfaction of the public, and possibly blown it for the conservative party as well

I'm no lawyer, but it sounds like a fair point, worthy of consideration. Or to look at it from a slightly different angle - if we had left on 29th March without a deal, nobody could have said that democratic principles had not been scrupulously observed. Parliament were unable to endorse the deal, so we leave without one, in accordance with the democratic will of the electorate.

No. I'm not referring to Chris or indeed to the vast majority of remain voters. Most people who voted remain would bow to the majority will. Such is the basis of democracy. I'm referring to a certain cohort on the left in this country, who almost from Day 1 of the referendum result, have persistently referred to leave voters in very derogatory terms. Intellectually challenged, typically. But also add on racist, extreme right wing, fascist scum etc etc. Not nice, extremely provocative, and definitely not accurate for the overwhelming majority. Surely you must have noticed? I'm not guilty of the same as I'm giving my opinion of their ideas, not of the people themselves, who I know nothing about. I make no pretence about that, unlike them, who claim to know the collective IQ of the 17.4 million leave voters. 100% agree with your last paragraph.