Rob

He certainly bought some lots in the sale, from 5 guineas down to Elizabeth fractional silver in part 3 for example, but don't know who for assuming they were commission bids. The diversity of lots won suggests they were for various people. Unfortunately my copy of Montagu 3 isn't fully named, so don't know the total lots bought. He bought loads in part 5.

Thanks Paul. Chingford communicated the same.

Any ideas what it is? It can't be rare as it's the second one I've had. About 16mm diameter. Ta.

Ah. Got it. Haven't done any provenance work on them as I wasn't looking for one.

Cancel that. Just realised it wasn't ex CA. Give us a clue

The 1837 was Colin Adams' coin. It was the only penny Geoff bought in that sale.

It wasn't bought in hope as it's part of a large collection I bought recently, just that the toning is the right shape and size for a filled and repurposed die. On the assumption that number 1 must have existed at some time, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the die was filled and used for currency pieces. The only reason I posted is because there is a slight disturbance at that point. When dies are filled, the surface is never completely flat, hence an open mind is useful. Unfortunately I no longer have ready access to an electron microscope.

Amongst other thing, I bought this in the recent Baldwin's token sale - 1789 St. Paul's Thanksgiving Service commemorative halfpenny. D&H lists this in copper and brass, though this piece was clearly gilt before striking, as metal flow has partially exposed the underlying copper in the shadow of the lettering. Anyone have, or know of, a brass example to compare? I've still got the copper piece listed if another example was needed for comparison. Ta.

Tantalising. Was it or wasn't it? There's a disturbance in the field in the correct position.

Harvey Schulman envelope. A Manchester dealer in the latter half of the 20th century.

William Longman. Collected tokens and these sold at Glendining 12/3/1958. Tickets used were Baldwin's stock tickets with the source of the coin on the bottom line and the date of acquisition in pencil on the rear.

https://www.arsclassicacoins.com/prices-realized/ 144 is the Roman and 145 the British

Yep. Current scrap price for decimal bronze is about 3x face. Money to be made for someone.

The last digit was entered manually, whereas the first three are on the master. That's why you get varying date widths usually on the 3rd & 4th (not related to narrow and wide dates which are completely different. I know the coppers had a die with just 18, because one reading that went through Baldwin's, but I think by the time of the bronze coinage, it was normally the first three. So in summary, the 0 was just entered too high initially.

Thanks Stuart. So basically minimal additions. What does the red dot mean? Interestingly, the first three listed were previously under his obverse 1 as 1a, 1b and unrecorded, but the first two in the earlier edition have the pellet in annulet on the centre of the reverse (S2385), unlike those paired with obverse 2 (S2426). In the case of 4-11, they are his 2a-h. I wonder why they have been grouped together? Better send Paul an email.

I think they could possibly be different punches. The top one has a bit of a double chin, but the bottom not. The eyelids look a bit different, the mouth a bit deeper on the top one and nostril more hooked on the bottom one, but whether it's down to depth of strike, I'm not sure.

I can buy that. It would explain the apparent displacement of the N(E). It would also explain the very thin line heading down to O flaw. I had discounted the N because of the well formed curve which seemed too horizontal for an N, the right leg which is leaning too far to the right at the top relative to the left leg and a small spur at the start of the thin line, all of which would be commensurate with a Lombardic E. Assuming an N, the tops of the two legs are inclined at 30 degrees to one another, but I guess a broken punch could deform into any random shape. The lump on the right I had assumed was just more of the poor surface. Thanks. Always good to have the perspective of multiple eyeballs.

Has anyone got the latest Withers book for this? It wasn't listed in the softback books. LONDON with an inverted G for the D and what appears to be an inverted lombardic E for the N. Whatever, N is the one thing it isn't. Unfortunately, the first N isn't clear. The O is also distinctive with a flaw emanating from the circle on both letters at 5 o'clock. This was out of Hosker Haynes sale a few days ago, and although not a thing of great beauty, it was too interesting to ignore.

VAT 10% will narrow down the date range a bit. Phone numbers changed from 01 to 071 & 081 in 1990ish? He was a regular buyer at auction based on the names noted against lots in catalogues. The middle one might be his. The number 41 (and 40) might be a case of the previous collector tying the tickets to a coin in their collection database. I have a 2x2 box full of tickets that don't fit the tray recesses, all neatly numbered with their numerical collection reference so they can be reconnected come the time for disposal.

Regarding David's post, I could go with Jameson too. You often see important sales of a similar coin referenced on tickets, but that doesn't always mean it was from that collection. Just look at the references of many lots in current sales to see things such as Brooker xxx same dies for Charles I, Adams for pennies, Schneider for hammered gold etc. The collection referenced is usually one of the major sales for the material in question. Unfortunately however, sometimes these get incorporated into the provenance of a sale lot, leading to ongoing confusion when checking and confirming a provenance. I got caught out recently on that very point. Mea culpa for not checking thoroughly in advance. Note that Jameson died in 1942 and the collection was sold post mortem, but the ticket says SPK 1941, i.e. it predates this. PTO means please turn over. TPP is T/-/- and looks to be a purchase price code in pounds shillings and pence. i.e T represents a number of pounds and the dashes zero shillings and pence. I'd say they are by a different hand. Although the M is similar, the P is completely different. The R is a bit misleading as it is a conjugated A&R (for silver) on the ticket in question. The lack of sale price would imply a coin sold before being priced and on the list and so a Spink ticket cannot be ruled out, but I don't think it is. The other ticket references the Sydenham sale at Glens in Dec. 1941, but I don't have this catalogue, nor the Nov. 1948 sale to check who bought what. Send Chris Perkins a PM to get approved. He doesn't pop by that often.

I'd say CNG as well for a US sale. It really depends on what is in the collection. A decent number of hammered pieces would probably appeal more to them. Given the US obsession with slabs, unless they are going to get 63 or better, you might be better off selling in the UK, but bear in mind that would attract 5% on the hammer price for UK buyers as the collection would be imported. Is there anything that would do well as a private sale? You also have to consider selling fees, but that would be negotiable. I guess a few phone calls would be in order.

Can't help with the 1941 circular. I would assume the ticket is by the person who bought the coin from Spink in 1941 with his price code. Spink stock numbers at the time were numerically incrementing and carried over from year to year, so 1943 for example had stock numbers in the 17000 range and more likely to be recorded on a Spink ticket. IMO the SPK would be superfluous if it's a Spink ticket and would expect the selling price to be given. Codes are usually used for purchase cost. Below 277-239 could read AR 4 DCS? Silver Tetradrachm? Then Cat(alogue) Jourdan 1009? Searching Jourdan brings up CNG's Richard A Jourdan sale in 2020 and appropriate material, but nothing as described on the ticket. Presumably a different Jourdan sale or is Jourdan an old reference book? I'm not familiar with ancients collections past sales, so can't help with catalogues or names.

Timely reminder. Haven't listened to Land of Grey and Pink for a while. Rectified.

Credit where it's due. No reply to the emails, but the last two catalogues appeared in the post today. If anyone needs either I can reciprocate.

No idea. I was online.