Ah the Oldham loop goes to trams... i heard about this. Piccadilly is alot better now, and as for Olli, i also forgot to mention that i can only get to Victoria if i'm travelling to Manchester from Huddersfield, but why would i do that when it's only the hourly all station stopper that calls there? All the others (the other 3 per hour go non stop to Picc). And if i'm going from Sheffield it is impossible to get to Victoria at all, unless they were to go from Romiley to Guide Bridge, then a reversal to Stalybridge, then another reversal there to Victoria. I always though Nottingham and Huddersfield were pretty nice stations, architechturally. I'm not a spotter either, but i do travel by train a hell of alot, almost daily backwards and forwards to Uni and i've travelled alot between Lincoln/Sheffield/Huddersfield and Manchester over the years, so you just kinda learn the routes/stations and train connection times from the top of your head. But that's what happens when you're reliant on public transport!