Ah! errrrmmmm, this was a lash up on my part, 3 hammered coins in need of confirmation, I had an email confirming 2 of the hammered are...
(The arched crown is Henry VII, an early issue before the sovereign pennies come in.The other one is possibly Edward IV's Light Cross and Pellets Irish coinage - these have a quatrefoil centre and are virtually always struck on too small flans, so with most or all of the legend missing as here. )
so this related to the lower 2 coins, the 1st coin I had down as a Henry VII Penny, Clipped 1485-1509. Eirestan mentions the mm. Tun so 1493-95 Canterbury... wow... it amazes me that chaos and confusion can be easily resolved...by them in the know....Happily these are now put to rest.....its been a long day. 🙄