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If you are unhappy with the descriptions or overgradeing with ANY seller just return it and ask for a refund , any sort of decent dealer will offer that for a short time at least . It really is no good putting up with substandard coins and just moaning about them on message boards . Vote with your feet. Are you lot men or mice, eeeekkk, eeeekkk, LOL

@MACKSILKY. you can email them directly to me if you prefer

James is using the original numbering system I used on my website, but it created confusion, hence why it is in the transition of being changed. @Mr T you are correct that in Freeman numbers it would be Obverse 3. It would be a combination I have not yet recorded, but I would need better images of the legend on the Obverse to be certain and include it.

Posting them's easy. It's taking good ones in the first place that I have difficulty with.

I THOUGHT I had found the 3rd 2000 variant that Dave was talking about but was wrong. I did however re look at the Rev A and found that it was actually the Rev b of 1992. 2000 All with Portcullis 2 Rev b – as 1992 penny 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) Rev c – as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) This then makes more sense to renamed Rev B to Rev c for continuity. I will post Rev a, b and c showing the differences later. So the list should now read as follows: 1971-1984 – Second Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1985-1990 – Third Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1991 This date has the 2 reverse Portcullis types 1 & 2 but it is interesting to note that type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1992 I found that there are 2 distinct reverse variants for this year Rev a – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to right of a border bead (110BB) Rev b – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) 1993 - Has both reverse types of Portcullis but now differs in that Type 2 still pairs up with Rev b of the 1992 penny with 113 border beads; Type 1 now is placed with a legend which has only 109 border beads and were the 1 & P now both point directly to a border bead (as Rev c of the 2000 Penny). From the survey I also found one with the Portcullis link filled in this date. 1994 - As 1991 has both Portcullis types 1 & 2 were type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1995-1999 – all have type 2 reverse with Rev b legend (1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead). 1998 Obverse changes to Forth Portrait. 2000 – Again I found only 2 distinct variants for this year although I note that DaveG found 3 in his survey done back in 2013. However both variants only have the Type 2 Portcullis. Rev b – as 1992 penny 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) Rev c– as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) 2001-2006 – all again have type 2 reverse but now with Rev c legend characteristics as the 2000 penny (1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead). 2007 – Has both reverse types of Portcullis both with Rev c. 2008 – Again has both reverse types of Portcullis with Rev c. HOPE THAT IS CLEARER........ Thanks all

Thanks Ian, but just continuing to add to the work that Dave started. Probably one of the best things about this Forum, everyone pitching in and making it possible to find new and interesting discoveries. whether people like Decimal coinage or hate it, it is definately a major collecting forum and will only grow in the future. At the rate the coins are dissappearing in our change if we don't start cataloguing now we will lose all the variants and anomilies for the future....... Obverse's I haven't even looked at.............think I will give myself a few weeks to let the eyes settle down QUICK NOTE - the coins above are from circulation issues only. The reverse Type 2 actually makes its first appearance in the 1986 Unciculated & Proof sets.

I have condensed the information from Dave's and my survey into the following: 1971-1984 – Second Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1985-1990 – Third Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1991 This date has the 2 reverse Portcullis types 1 & 2 but it is interesting to note that type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1992 I found that there are 2 distinct reverse variants for this year Rev a – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to right of a border bead (110BB) Rev b – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) 1993 - Has both reverse types of Portcullis but now differs in that Type 2 still pairs up with Rev b of the 1992 penny with 113 border beads; Type 1 now is placed with a legend which has only 109 border beads and were the 1 & P now both point directly to a border bead (as Rev B of the 2000 Penny). From the survey I also found one with the Portcullis link filled in this date. 1994 - As 1991 has both Portcullis types 1 & 2 were type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1995-1999 – all have type 2 reverse with Rev b legend (1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead). 1998 Obverse changes to Forth Portrait. 2000 – Again I found only 2 distinct variants for this year although I note that DaveG found 3 in his survey done back in 2013. However both variants only have the Type 2 Portcullis. Rev A – as 1999 penny the 1 of date points left of a border bead, P of Penny is to a gap between border beads. (113 BB) Rev B – as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) 2001-2006 – all again have type 2 reverse but now with Rev B legend characteristics as the 2000 penny (1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead). 2007 – Has both reverse types of Portcullis both with Rev B. 2008 – Again has both reverse types of Portcullis with Rev B. 2008-2015 – New Shield Reverse; 2015 -onward Fifth Portrait Obverse. I have not really studied the Shield reverse enough to see any new variants although I do have a 2 ltr tub full, I have lost the will........... Rarity 2008 - Out of 96 pennies only 2 had type 2 ( Daves: 30 type 1 1 type 2) 2000 - out of 94 pennies 64 were Rev A and 30 Rev B 1993 - out of 21 pennies only 7 had type 2 (Daves: 25 type 1 15 type 2) 1992 - out of 15 pennies 5 Rev a and 10 Rev b 1991 - Out of 14 pennies only 2 had type 2 (Daves: 13 type 1 1 type 2) The other dates of 1994 & 2007 seem to be fairly even having almost the same ratio of type 1 & type 2, taken from both mine and Daves survey.

Mine, to my mind problem-free?

This beauty went for only £825-00 in Jun 2014 !

My latest acquisition is a Freeman 17, which is in GEF with some residual lustre. Unfortunately there are some light but noticeable scratches, especially to the reverse, which do detract somewhat. But as it's scarce, otherwise very nice, and I got it for a reduced price, it was worth buying. Another notch on the 1860 and 1861 joint series project bedpost.

I disagree! Given it is only recorded thus far in the Coincraft catalogue (and I don't think that has been printed for over a decade now!!), leaving it on here is a better way of recording it until it gets taken on board by eg. Spink, ESC, Collectors Coins of GB or wherever! Good to spread knowledge!