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Yes, that coin now resides with me! Jerry

In answer to your first question the best i have seen was Garys on the forum which from memory i think was slabbed GEF with some lustre. Plenty now turned up in low grades but very rare in better than VF.

If you turn the coin over you will see the 1 in date is to Gap and for F164 & F164a is to tooth. The obverse although has a few indicators (in the groom book) has a wider Gap between T & O which you can see even if the teeth not there.

Thanks yes.

The Coin pictured is NOT 1*+C.

my gut feeling is yes to 1*+C.

Can I ask please; what is the best condition 1*+C you have seen? I found one last week which is 100% 1*+C no doubt in the normal heavily circulated condtion. I also found the coin imaged I wasn't 100 % sure with this one because the tooth is slightly out of shape. What do you think? Thanks.

Well it doesn't appear to be the left of. Thanks

To me this one I have attached looks like it could be Ac?

All these pursuits are commonly perceived as a bit eccentric or cranky, and anyone trying to explain what makes their hobby so fascinating might well be in danger of reinforcing that view! I don't necessarily agree. Coins have been a central part of everyday life for centuries. Given a few minutes I am pretty confident I can convince most folks that studying and collecting them can be both worthwhile and cool. The sharp trend away from cash transactions (presumably there's some quantification of this out there) is a dark cloud on the horizon, but the history remains.

I concur. The approach to the newsagent is a lucrative source of income.

Some young people's view of coins is one of seeing them as very uncool. I saw two teenagers leaving the corner shop up the road last year throw their change on the floor as they left....

I can only offer Peck's attribution to this idea as it was his designation. Applicable to non-currrency coin only and either contemporary with the date seen, or struck at some later date as presents to friends and visitors. I think it unlikely that any accuracy will be achieved without documentary evidence of specific visitors to Soho along with the dates, unlike the restrikes which being continually modified show clear underlying detail so that a progression can be established along with a probable date using other evidence.

I am pretty sure its BP1896Ac 11 Teeth, but yes clearer pictures of the teeth and without the lines The teeth have reasonable gaps between them and the drawn teeth on the picture a distraction.

P.s.: I will add other pictures tomorrow

I don't know WHAT years! Nor can I see the condition. Why don't you post pictures of YOUR coins?

You’re absolutely right. In this case, it turned out to be a bargain because of the incorrect grading. I think there are various levels of cleaning, and unfortunately even light cleaning falls into the same category as more aggressive cleaning methods. That said, in my opinion it’s a fine specimen with a lovely colour, and I reckon it’ll soon be freed from its plastic cage.

Hi Rob, thank you very much for your reply, which, as always, is very detailed. I’m attaching a few photos which I hope will help to determine the correct classification. If it’s of any help, there’s a rust spot (or at least I think it is) in exactly the same place where I’ve noticed it on other P-1242s. Given that this is a late SOHO, is there a time frame within which it might have been minted, even if it’s just hypothetical??

I think the above is correct. The outlines seem to start going astray around teeth 7 and 8, both of which are a bit too narrow. This is my 11.5, alongside an 11:

Its NOT 11-5 Teeth.

That is a particularly good example! Jerry

Very difficult to say from the photos but to me the non annotated image suggests 11 teeth rather than 11.5. The outlines are rather bunched towards the end, and the tip of tooth 10 in the first photo protrudes above your gap between 10 and 11 in the second photo. However happy to be corrected, let’s see what others think. It just doesn’t stand out like the wider dates should. Jerry

ditto

Worn collars? Reduced striking force to preserve the dies? Different degrees of circulation? Wartime conditions will often lead to slightly flexible interpretation of the rules. Even within nominally identical parts, engineering tolerances can lead to something that looks wrong, even if functionally and usefully ok. Think along the lines of WW1 pennies that were often weakly struck to save replacing the dies so often.

id'ing and recognising a cleaned coin shouldn't be that difficult. Polished to hell and back again isn't difficult to recognise, but anything not dipped to a brilliant white finish seems to get lumped in with cleaned coins. I have seen a couple of early milled crowns this month to die for at cleaned prices. Sadly I wasn't the first to spot them. Mint state both. They don't use all the tools at their disposal for id'ing copper either, so again, bargains to be had alongside some odd designations. eg. My 1860 Weyl uniface penny F881 ranked 308th in the pecking order of NGC's 1860 halfpennies P- unlisted. See the thread in the TPG discussions and go figure. You are not alone in your distrust.