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I am pretty sure its BP1896Ac 11 Teeth, but yes clearer pictures of the teeth and without the lines The teeth have reasonable gaps between them and the drawn teeth on the picture a distraction.

P.s.: I will add other pictures tomorrow

I don't know WHAT years! Nor can I see the condition. Why don't you post pictures of YOUR coins?

You’re absolutely right. In this case, it turned out to be a bargain because of the incorrect grading. I think there are various levels of cleaning, and unfortunately even light cleaning falls into the same category as more aggressive cleaning methods. That said, in my opinion it’s a fine specimen with a lovely colour, and I reckon it’ll soon be freed from its plastic cage.

Hi Rob, thank you very much for your reply, which, as always, is very detailed. I’m attaching a few photos which I hope will help to determine the correct classification. If it’s of any help, there’s a rust spot (or at least I think it is) in exactly the same place where I’ve noticed it on other P-1242s. Given that this is a late SOHO, is there a time frame within which it might have been minted, even if it’s just hypothetical??

I think the above is correct. The outlines seem to start going astray around teeth 7 and 8, both of which are a bit too narrow. This is my 11.5, alongside an 11:

Its NOT 11-5 Teeth.

That is a particularly good example! Jerry

Very difficult to say from the photos but to me the non annotated image suggests 11 teeth rather than 11.5. The outlines are rather bunched towards the end, and the tip of tooth 10 in the first photo protrudes above your gap between 10 and 11 in the second photo. However happy to be corrected, let’s see what others think. It just doesn’t stand out like the wider dates should. Jerry

ditto

Worn collars? Reduced striking force to preserve the dies? Different degrees of circulation? Wartime conditions will often lead to slightly flexible interpretation of the rules. Even within nominally identical parts, engineering tolerances can lead to something that looks wrong, even if functionally and usefully ok. Think along the lines of WW1 pennies that were often weakly struck to save replacing the dies so often.

id'ing and recognising a cleaned coin shouldn't be that difficult. Polished to hell and back again isn't difficult to recognise, but anything not dipped to a brilliant white finish seems to get lumped in with cleaned coins. I have seen a couple of early milled crowns this month to die for at cleaned prices. Sadly I wasn't the first to spot them. Mint state both. They don't use all the tools at their disposal for id'ing copper either, so again, bargains to be had alongside some odd designations. eg. My 1860 Weyl uniface penny F881 ranked 308th in the pecking order of NGC's 1860 halfpennies P- unlisted. See the thread in the TPG discussions and go figure. You are not alone in your distrust.

For what it is worth, I think it is a P1242 also. 3 incuse dots limits your obverse options as per Peck's KH17 (P1236) & KH21 (P1242). The reverse isn't that of KH16 due to lack of flaw under Britannia's armpit and the 1 is well clear of the sea, which eliminates P1236. Thus leaving KH21, (which uses the reverse of KH20) as the correct designation. However, it might be worth qualifying that attribution if the pictures were better. I say this because the images are too low resolution to compare directly with my own cleanly struck example. 1. Do the 3 incuse dots on the truncation align correctly? 2. Is the area underneath the armpit devoid of any flaws? 3. Is there any trace of gunports, however weak they may be? 4. Is the flag on the poop the same size? Mine has gunports that are barely detectable, but are clearly present. The image gives an impression of a plain hull - which it isn't. If all those points align on the two coins, then we can safely say it is a P1242 from the same die pair. Given this is a late SOHO strike, it is possible that there might be additional rust spots appearing, but likely only minor ones, as Taylor didn't acquire the dies. Alternatively and with wishful thinking, a coin with massive die breaks would help settle this once and for all.

Same condition, same years, different edge as pictured.

When I count what appear to be teeth from the image I count an eleven tooth spacing if I draw in what I think to be teeth it looks it could be 11.5. My gut feeling the coin is a 11-tooth (Gouby BP1896Ac) what do you think? Thanks

Thank you !

Sorry I hadn't see this reply, thanks. GREAT !

I finally got around to taking better images which represent my coin. Still cant get my head around finding this as cheap as I did unattributed. As I have not been posting here about my finds I now have a backlog of finds to add to my collection taking photos and sharing here found some amazing coins unattributed.

Ah, I thought these were YOUR coins. Perhaps you could post pictures of your coins? In other words, the reverse (to see the condition), and the edge. For now, I stand by my opinion that the 3 coins in that picture have general wear, but the other one doesn't.

Good points, but on the other hand there are still stamp, postcard, audio cassette, model car, etc, collectors. I think there are many areas of collecting where the object itself is long out of fashion, yet the 'collecting gene' needs to be fulfilled.

I would grade as GEF with lustre. Some might say AUnc, and I wouldn't quarrel too much with that, there's virtually no trace of wear.

I appreciate one or two opinions on a grading for this penny before I list it on eBay.

No, I meant in terms of rarity, that the issue numbers will become small enough that modern coins may actually be hard to acquire, driving price and interest?

I think probably the opposite. People not using actual cash means they are exposed to less of it, or even none of it. So casual collectors who keep the odd shiny coin and perhaps get into coins that way will be far fewer. There will probably always be people who deliberately spend cash in order to get change to check and collect from but I wonder if the younger generation growing up now who have only ever paid electronically are a lot less likely to become coin collectors of any kind.