Guess The Grade Revisted

[Paulus 1,942]

Given the continued scrutiny, quite rightly, over the impartiality, objectivity and consistency around CGS grading, I invite thoughts on these 3 coins (none of which are being submitted to an LCA auction)

What grades do you think CGS assigned to these newly graded coins (traditional UK grades or CGS numbers, CGS pics)?

Coin 1, 1893 Florin

Coin 2, George II Crown

[Paulus 1,942]

Coin 3, Coinery (Stuart) will recognise this one, 1901 Half Crown ... weak at the lance, what did they make of that I wonder?

[Coinery 926]

80 and 60!

Do they grade with those numbers? That's where I reckon? Lovely florin, Paul!

Edit: and 100

Edited May 12, 2015 by Coinery

[Coinery 926]

Do you post them, or drop them in?

[Paulus 1,942]

They aren't far from me, and I have visited twice, but normally I post. I am not a serial slabber, less than 0.1% of my coins are slabbed, but every few months I send them a small batch ...

I find they are consistently very strict, both with grade and whether they will assign a grade at all, but, like others, see some inconsistency with their photography (especially in the early years), and have questions in my mind regarding their grading of coins submitted by parties with close connections or vested interests

Edited May 12, 2015 by Paulus

[scott 129]

if we get it right do we win them?

[PWA 1967 1,841]

My guess and not much idea apart from the pennies.

1893 florin 75

1743 crown 65

1901 h/crown 75

[Prax 80]

Same boat as Pete wrt pennies but I reckon 80, 60, 78

If I get them wrong I blame your photography skills

Edited May 13, 2015 by Prax

[hazelman 44]

1893 80

1743 70

1901 60

[azda 973]

70

55

75

[damian1986 142]

72

50

75

[azda 973]

I'll add Mine here seeing as its now landed at CGS, same Numbers game as Paulus.

[jacinbox 36]

I'll add Mine here seeing as its now landed at CGS, same Numbers game as Paulus.

78

[mike 5]

It's difficult as you can't properly assess lustre, hairlines and other attributes which make the CGS grade, but my guess would be:

78

45

78

[PWA 1967 1,841]

This post has gone quiet ,out of interest what grades were they paulus ?

[Paulus 1,942]

Just waiting for the grades to be finalised, should be any day now. I'll post as soon as I have them ...

[azda 973]

Still waiting on my grade, but its been attributed as the 1*+A

[Paulus 1,942]

My guess on yours would be 75 Dave

[azda 973]

Yup i was thinking in the same ballpark Paul

[pokal02 43]

In old money I'd say GVF+ (rev slightly better than obv), GF and NEF respectively. This seems to be about 53, 30 and 55. (I seem to be lowest on the G2 crown but can't grade it any higher).

Vic OH's are a prime example of how the VF grade has become debased over the last 10-20 years. I think the 'old' VF may have been too severe (I was looking at a 2004 Spink Circular earlier and there seemed little if any difference between the Vic OH VF's and EF's!) but think it's gone too far the other way now.

[PWA 1967 1,841]

My guess and not much idea apart from the pennies.

1893 florin 75

1743 crown 65

1901 h/crown 75

I am bored and looking again think the crown at 65 to high ,guess at 50 .

[Coinery 926]

C'mon then Paulus!

[Paulus 1,942]

Well the grades are STILL not finalised, but unless they change their mind, these are the grades that will be assigned:

1893 Florin, CGS 75 (UNC or near so)

[Paulus 1,942]

1743 Crown CGS 40 (VF)

[Paulus 1,942]

1901 Half Crown CGS 78 (UNC)