COULD THIS BE A GEORGE THE V TRIAL

[shanew]

Hi all I have come across this coin its 4.13gramd about and 23.2mm and 1.45 thick

it has 2 heads of George v and they are both different there are small dots near the ears that could help identify what is is there are a few effigy trials in my world book but no picture it has been checked its not glue or inlaid its been hit with 2 dies and they are not the same

any help would be great

shane

[Coppers]

Is this the same or similar?

http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/8063-george-v-double-headed-coinmedal/

[VickySilver]

Although it looks to be worn from use, I don't think it has the appearance of being well struck - transfer dies perhaps?

I agree with the thoughts about it being a gaming token or such as opposed to Royal Mint project.

[shanew]

thanks for the quick reply I have no idea I am in Australia not shore were that member from do you now and mine don't look like that this is my rims

[shanew]

I did read they changes effigy because the weakness of the strike and and ghosting in the coins if that right

[copper123]

Yes georges head was too big and caused the ghosting - it was put right with the slightly smaller portrait and its also in less high relief

[pies]

Surely if the mint were trialing a new portrait they would use either a blank die for the reverse or a proper reverse to see how the pair of dies worked together. I can't think why they would use two portrait dies together.

Also i think the obverse and reverse dies were physically different so they would work in the presses

[shanew]

still I have no idea that why I am here with you blokes and girls

to let say they had a few dies with different effigys ready and tested them on a blank to see what the best was I can see both images are not the same there are small variations in both the forehead hair line the adams apple and the beard point and the dots near the ear

ant way keep up the good work

[shanew]

I did find a few listing of trials and some are off metal trials

[Peckris]

I did find a few listing of trials and some are off metal trials

Good bit of research that, though this no-legend shilling-sized specimen doesn't seem to fit with any of those listed.

What's interesting though, is that there is an ME shilling pattern for 1925, the same year as the ME was actually introduced on the halfpenny. Which makes me wonder : if the Modified Effigy was ready for use in 1925, why is there an issue with the old effigy of all silver, plus pennies, in 1926? With the very limited mintages between 1924-1926 the Mint wasn't exactly overloaded with work, so you'd think they could have brought in the ME right from the start in 1926. Oh well, another of those mysteries that may never be resolved.

[shanew]

I have found a florin with the same dots are there any varietys of the 1925 shilling known with dots on the ears one side has 1 dot the other side had 2 dots just a thought

and could this be a apart of the die making process